MAMEWorld Forums - EmuChat - Re: HLSL changes by anikom15

> > as I said, find some new devs to do it.
> >
> > stop expecting the existing devs to, they won't
>
> You're all in the best position to find devs to do something, also I doubt yourselves
> don't know what to do already.
> It's your project, people tell you of some issues honestly and you refuse to listen
> and consider, you dodge points and proposals, you escape the topics. So your fault if
> it loses against shit like RetroArch while you don't budge.
> Stop pushing the all blame on anyone but mamedev.
>

No, we're not in the best position. This is the WORST assumption people keep making.

We're good at emulating hardware, creating a big picture of the whole computing / hardware / software industry etc.. That doesn't mean we're in the best position to do other things like creating a slick UI experience.

Look at all the big tech firms etc. that seemingly can't get a competent web designer and somehow make their sites worse with each iteration (in part due to mobile I guess)

Look at all the Linux software which is massively powerful but is full of uncomfortable design choices.

In part, yes this is one reason people have moved to RA / LR as they apparently are meant to be all about that (even if in many sense it's a far WORSE user experience than MAME, they know how to sell / market it, which is really their specialization, not UI design or user experience) However, since that's a bad model for so many other reasons we can't just embrace that.

> > trying to bully and insult us
>
> Bully? Insult? Look who's talking! the one who first came calling users stupid and
> lazy!
> Wow...
>

I said that of RA users, because yes, it's a problem. The people still using MAME I'm not saying that about. I consider who have moved to RA for these reasons a lost cause anyway, actually I'm thankful a lot of them have moved on because their toxicity has not been missed. The problem is it's infectious and ends up limiting the availability of both information and resources for those who do want to do it properly which is why long term it's a threat, because whatever is done, it's always going to be the path of least resistance that people will have to actively fight against.

You instead are throwing direct insults at me and seem to continue to demand that we do work that we're not skilled in rather than what we're good at?

I'm not a suitable person for making the changes you want, I don't think any of the existing dev team are, continuing to expect those changes to be made by the current team is madness.

> > into doing what you want won't work, it will just make
> > us care less and less about what you ask, much as I no longer care to work on
> arcade
> > emulation at all.
>
> It's fine finding any excuses that work for you, if it keeps you comfortable in your
> delusional dream.
>
> Funny, it's like in those films where a group under a threat splits because there are
> those who know they have to take a path they know will give them a chance at safety,
> and those who stubbornly refuse to move, making up anything self-persuading it's
> better to stay where they are...unaware that death's coming for them.
> MAME is led by that stubborn group. Good luck with the future of your project if you
> keep being that group.
>
> And good night ------>

I've already said that I expect this to end badly? Just in this case the alternatives are bad too and the death is basically inevitable.

I am also aware of how stubborn the team can be, it took a long time before they realised that doing non arcade stuff was the only way to give the actual emulation side of the project a future too, so for now at least I'm glad we're doing good work and making a difference there. That was a field I knew we could do good work, did have the contacts for, and already had a lot of people interested in working on. The complete opposite of this UI stuff where there is literally nobody with the skills and no interest.