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>>Why would a leader of a country set himself up by being only
>> representative in the room without another US eyewitness in the same room? I will say
>> it seems suspicious.

>Suspicious only because everyone already thinks he’s guilty of being a puppet.

They (Intelligence Communities), former US Generals, past GOP administration cabinet members that were either on HW's staff or W.'s staff. It is suspect because even 'Mad Dog' Mattis had differing views and questioned of why having to remove US troops early since there are still Islamic state fighters in northern regions of Syria. I believe those in the Pentagon that may question the various spontaneous executive decisions have a hunch that the various IC US agencies will eventually provide the evidence.

> Tell me,
>before Obama’s second term, what did you think of the conversation he had in an interview
>with a Russian diplomat after he ASSUMED that the microphones and cameras were off? What
>exactly did he mean by “I’ll have more flexibility after the election”?

Will search that later.

>>> He's kicked Russian Diplomats out of the country. How about this stuff?
>
>> That was during Obama's last few weeks in office in December 2016 as
>> Commander-in-Chief before leaving. Obama and administration did that while taking the
>> Russian offices in Maryland and New York. iirc those properties were handed back to
>> Russia and some of the diplomats returned when leadership had transitioned.

>Did you even read what I posted? That was last year, dude. Try again.

> He's kicked Russian Diplomats out of the country. How about this stuff?
https://www.businessinsider.com/latest-us-sanctions-against-russia-hit-them-where-it-hurts-2018-4

"Washington came out swinging against Moscow when it announced new sanctions
Friday against two dozen Russian nationals and 14 Russian entities."

So the article reads that way, but looking back to early 2018, here is/are initial thoughts from administration. This was in January 2018 even though there was enough leeway that things could change later....so it was what it was.

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White House to Congress: Russia sanctions not needed now

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/10141974716
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Moving onward a couple weeks later...Mueller and Special Council office have enough evidence to file indictment charges against various Russians and businesses in Russia

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https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210423471

What's particularly significant in the Mueller filing, though, are six words: “and had such ties in 2016.” Prosecutors have said previously that a longtime Manafort and Gates associate had ties to Russian intelligence, but they have never said those ties remained during the 2016 campaign. In December, they said this associate was “a longtime Russian colleague . . . who is currently based in Russia and assessed to have ties to a Russian intelligence service.” Why those six words were added in this filing when they didn't appear in a previous filing is the $64,000 question.

The other new piece here is that they say Gates described Person A (again, apparently Kilimnik) as “a former Russian Intelligence Officer with GRU.” (GRU is Russia's military intelligence organization.) So according to van der Zwaan, Gates talked openly about Person A's ties to Russian intelligence. Kilimnik told The Post in June that he has “no relation to the Russian or any other intelligence service.” Mueller is now apparently directly disputing that using Gates's own words...
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Okay....so now things are in mid March...he is still trying to avoid the 2016 issue, but willing to issue sanctions on human rights abuse and what took place in eastern Ukraine territory which is still ongoing, but that is another topic itself and this is because the legislative branch did its job and forced him to take some form of action.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/15/us/politics/trump-russia-sanctions.html?module=inline

In keeping with his reluctance to blame Moscow for meddling in the 2016 presidential campaign, Mr. Trump did not mention the sanctions or election interference. The president has repeatedly dismissed the suggestion that Russia sought to influence the vote in his favor as a “hoax” and “fake news,” even as a special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, has concluded otherwise and is investigating whether Mr. Trump’s campaign collaborated with Russian agents.

Before leaving office, President Barack Obama expelled 35 Russian diplomats, seized a pair of diplomatic properties and imposed sanctions in response to the election interference. But while Mr. Trump’s administration has issued sanctions against some Russians for human rights abuses or for the country’s intervention in Ukraine, the measures announced on Thursday represented the first time he took action on the meddling, and only after Congress passed legislation to force his hand.
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Going back to article from Business Insider

> He's kicked Russian Diplomats out of the country. How about this stuff?
https://www.businessinsider.com/latest-us-sanctions-against-russia-hit-them-where-it-hurts-2018-4

"Washington came out swinging against Moscow when it announced new sanctions
Friday against two dozen Russian nationals and 14 Russian entities."

Notice another differing view with adjective 'Limited' regarding sanctions against Russia. If there were Russians in US that were forced to leave in 2018, it would likely be any that were indicted by Mueller's charges. I don't recall the names nor numbers, but Obama's was much more apparent when that took place in December 2016.

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https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/15/trump-finally-rolls-out-some-limited-russia-sanctions/

Trump Finally Rolls Out Some (Limited) Russia Sanctions

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/15/us/po...;pgtype=article

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration plans to impose new sanctions against Russia on Monday to punish it for enabling the Syrian government’s use of chemical weapons in its civil war, the latest in a series of actions by both sides underscoring the deterioration in relations between Moscow and the West.

The sanctions, coming shortly after American-led airstrikes against facilities linked to Syria’s chemical weapons, are meant to signal that the United States holds responsible not just the government of President Bashar al-Assad but also his patrons in Russia and Iran. President Trump has vowed that Syria’s allies will pay a “big price” for facilitating the suspected use of poison gas.
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Former US Ambassador to the UN announces new sanctions against Russia while administration changes course without her knowing. Why is that? Nikki would not be saying something of sanctions unless she was instructed to mention sanctions days earlier and then changes took place behind Nikki's back before Nikki's announcement. Either there was a miscommunication. Or maybe someone (Putin) had gotten to someone over the unsecured iphone (used for tweets) and instructed someone to change course and maybe someone forgot to inform Nikki?

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/17/world/europe/trump-nikki-haley-russia-sanctions.html

Sanctions Flap Erupts Into Open Conflict Between Haley and White House

April 17, 2018

WASHINGTON — President Trump was watching television on Sunday when he saw Nikki R. Haley, his ambassador to the United Nations, announce that he would impose fresh sanctions on Russia. The president grew angry, according to an official informed about the moment. As far as he was concerned, he had decided no such thing.

According to several officials, the White House did not inform Ms. Haley that it had changed course on sanctions, leaving her to hang out alone.
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>>He does not know how to negotiate or work with other world leaders.

>He forced a trade negotiation on Mexico that gave Canada no choice but to follow suit. I
>even called it before Canada joined in.

The revised Nafta agreement is probably the only time that the former president of Mexico was willing to agree to. The new president of Mexico would likely stay with older version of Nafta. Justin Tredeau (Canada) was willing to agree to revision knowing that his country was joining the larger trade agreement that includes somewhere between 20 to 30 countries in the (Transatlantic Pacific Participation treaty ..TPP)

The original document version was drafted by company lawyers representing several Fortune 500 US corporations that had nasty clauses that would have hurt the common populations in general. Since the US administration dropped out of TPP trade agreement, Canada (and Trudeau) took over and removed a lot of the crooked special interest clauses that were drafted by US corporate lawyers to make TPP look like a reasonable treaty.

Chalk it up to the 'broken clock' provides correct time two times in a 24 hour span.

Aside from that, Kim Jong Um played him last year. Later at the 2018 G- 20 summit in Canada, he folded his arms and pouted in front of Macron, Merkel, and other European leaders like a toddler and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, based on her experience with her own children and grandchildren knows that.

>> > He's also the only President since the cold war to fucking
>> > KILL RUSSIANS (Syria... look it up. Yes, he's the Commander in Chief and has
>>> EVERYTHING to do with what happened).
>

>> He let former Gen. Mattis make the decision to have US Troops move into Syria, a
>> mistake imo, because the US Troops were sitting targets inside Syria even though they
>> were there to go after Islamic state. The troops should have stayed outside in Iraq
>> or elsewhere while getting airstrike directions from the Kurds (only consistent
>> reliable ally in there compared to the questionable FSA (Free Syrian Army)
>
>> iirc the Syrian stationed US forces had to fight it out with several hundred Russian
>> mercenaries near some oil refineries. These Russian mercenaries were hired by some
>> mercenary outfit that was run by one of Putin's oligarch henchmen (Putin's personal
>> chef). That would have been in March or April 2017. Fortunately Mattis was in charge
>> because had 'President bonespurs' been controlling things, he probably would have had
>> the US forces surrender to the Russian mercenaries.

>Keep telling yourself that. Trump is CIC,

I'd question that when he once proclaimed being smarter or maybe it was the smartest General. Patton, Eisenhower, MacArthur and going back to legendary Smedley Butler would have a laugh or two while recent generals shake their heads. David Patreaus and others wouldn't want to. Mattis had to work for him and Mattis eventually concluded it was time to leave after the recent Syrian decision.

Flynn (Lock Her Up) is probably only one wanting to work for administration. The entertaining part was when Flynn had conducted a meeting in either December 2016 or maybe it was January 2017 about "how to kidnap" the Turkish individual (legally residing in PA) and send him back to Erdogan (Turkey) to be prosecuted, former CIA director James Woolsey was invited and when Woolsey saw what was discussed at the meeting, Woolsey wanted no part of that and quickly departed the meeting knowing that those involved in following that kidnapping plan could be prosecuted later by US DOJ at a later time.

As for the Syrian based US forces battle against the Russian mercenaries, Yevgeniy Viktorovich Prigozhin is the Russian individual involved that brought in his mercenaries to have assault against US forces that were guarding one of the few oil refineries in Syria. Wagner is the name of the company that hired the Russian fighters.

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U.S. judge bars evidence-sharing with 'Putin's chef' in Mueller probe of RU election interference

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210813621

https://s22.postimg.cc/60z48bma9/B1_EE709_E-3_D6_F-40_B5-_BB93-5_B482_AF9_E3_BA.jpg

Yevgeniy Viktorovich Prigozhin (part-owner of Concord) V. Putin,

...Prigozhin has a stake in Concord Catering, runs the Internet Research Agency in St. Petersburg, and has a stake in Wagner, a shady mercenary group that attacked US forces in February
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> you can continue to call him President bone spurs, and remain willfully ignorant about
> the fact that it’s not hard to be medically disqualified from service. You need to,
> because that’s the only example you could ever come up with to accuse Trump of being a
> pussy. He’s got a fucking backbone. He doesn’t apologize and bow down to other leaders
>like the last guy...

But it is easier when one has parents with lots of cash to help make it easier to get deferments or passes. Other examples include Cheney, and Ted (intentionally held his bowels and crapped his pants) Nuggent And as for Bill Clinton, he did get mocked for being a draft dodger himself since he didn't agree with Vietnam war, but many others did same too.

At least John McCain was willing to be involved, but he had to follow his father's footsteps of continuing to serve like other families that had famous military backgrounds.
And I also applaud John Kerry and his service and his protest as well.

John Kerry would have made a fine president, but he did make a fine Sec of State leader after Hillary had decided to leave.

>He’s (Trump) got a fucking backbone.

He can't handle firing someone directly. Numerous examples in the past with former FBI director James Comey being one of those back in May 2017. I expect to see James willing to testify again in front of Adam Schiff's congressional committee later this year and answer questions.

>Probably would have surrendered?

Us citizens might not get full details of what happened in Syria unless it gets an investigation later. The US commanders on the Syrian ground get credit for being able to hold off against Russian mercenaries.

Suppose if 'Individual 1' was aware of what was going on in real time and decided to intervene at that very moment. I wouldn't and I am glad that when it did happen, I suspect the military establishment intentionally left him in the dark until the fighting had concluded. Hopefully these specific details will be released in the future.

>Wait, doesn’t that kind of negate some of your other
>leftist arguments and quotes about having someone like him in charge of our nuclear
>arsenal?

I suspect he (more likely son-in-law "super Jared") did the dirty work of already handing over lots of the classified papers by this time to help cover the past loans over the years.

As for being charge of nuclear weapons, the football device should be hidden away somewhere in the WH where he can't find it. Maybe outside in the WH backyard toolshed since he doesn't like gardening...other than playing golf in the garden. He wouldn't look in toolshed.

>And I do mean ANY tie... look at the prosecutions so far... bunch of tax and funding
>fuckups having nothing to do with Russian collusion.

That's on the NY state level charges since previous acting NY attorney general (Barbara Underwood) began investigation last year. A new NY attorney general is following Underwood's actions and continuing the work.

>There’s more direct evidence against
>Hillary and the Clinton Foundation than Trump.

Well...the Trump charity foundation was used as a personal piggy bank (to buy a portrait that no one wanted and maybe Tebow's helmet or football jersey...don't recall) and why it no longer exists. As for Clinton's foundation, I believe there was an investigation or two, but will search for that later.