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> > "Natural Rights" You know. Like you have a natural right to breathe. No document or
> > government entity gives you permission to breathe. Just like nothing gives you
> > permission to self defense. That's just a natural (God given) right. You don't need
> > "permission".
>
> How do you decide which rights are "natural" and/or "God-given"? Just because it's
> easy, or it makes sense to you? What about opportunistic theft? That's easy and comes
> naturally to a lot of people, so how is it not a "natural right"? All "rights" come
> from ethics/philosophy/religion - they're a very human concept.
>

"Opportunistic theft" There's another saying; "Do as you will, as long as it hurts nobody else."

Well, if you are first accosted, then you also have a natural right to defend yourself (e.g. retaliate). It's the law of cause and effect. You don't initiate harm unto anyone else unless they first do it to you, your family, or your personal property.

I mean, it's "easy" for some thug to maybe mug or stab you, or perhaps rape your wife. I never said that just because something was easy or "natural" automatically made it a right. Breathing and Self Defense were merely basic examples. No single thing can take that away from you. Nothing can, nor should forbid it.

> But that aside, if you feel you need a gun for self-defence, you live in a violent,
> fucked-up society. Most of us don't want to live in a place where carrying a gun
> day-to-day is something that has to enter one's mind. I've got friends who moved from
> South Africa to Australia for that very reason - they want to live in a society where
> the thought of needing a gun doesn't even enter your mind. Yet you seem strangely
> insistent on maintaining a situation where you need a gun to protect yourself from
> all the bad guys with guns.

Okay. Let's take guns out of the picture. What if they outlawed all forms of martial arts training? Or what if they made it illegal for you to harm a burglar that broke into your home? Would that, in any way, seem fair?

I had been wondering about something since you replied to another one of my posts the other day.

Who exactly has any guns there in Australia? I'm sure the police do. But given the argument you gave the other day of anyone even having a gun on their person greatly increases the chances that Armageddon will happen.

I mean, someone taking the gun and using to shoot all the people. (sorry, can't help but to get sarcastic here). So absolutely nobody has any kind of gun what-so-ever, not even the cops? But seriously... It does seem like it was said that some farmers are allowed to have rifles, for the purposes of protecting their livestock, or maybe hunting.

ETA: Are there very many crimes in Australia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Australia

http://www.crimestats.aic.gov.au/NHMP/

That's probably nothing compared to 'Merica.

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Edited by Tomu Breidah (03/18/18 08:57 AM)