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Re: Flip Queue Size
04/24/13 12:06 AM


Thanks for testing this, seriously, it's been long since I wanted to know about some real measurement of the flip queue size issue, rather than the typical "I feel it lags" crap.

> The bad news: Yes, I see the tearing. It's only on top of the screen (unlike without
> vsync where it's all over the screen), but it's there.

Yes, unfortunately. I even tested creating a DirectDraw dummy device to invoke waitvsync from it while rendering with Direct3D, and it worked, but showed exactly the same static tearing. Considering the DirectDraw waitvsync method works great when combined with blitting or flippling from DirectDraw too, this means that the problem is *inside* the Present method, it just reacts too slow even with the D3D_INTERVAL_IMMEDIATE flag set, so the vblank is missed.

It's just too bad that as soon as D3D_INTERVAL_ONE is activated, an unwanted flip queue seems to be created by ATI drivers. Unfortunately this, again, tips the scales in favour of the -deprecated- DirectDraw interface.

> So, wouldn't it be possible to use the window mode, but in the way that the window is
> a boderless window of the size of the screen resolution?

Well, this is certainly possible. I admit it's an unexpected result, as it's a well known fact that modern visual features like Aero make windowed mode based emulators laggy, and you have to move to exclusive mode to avoid it. But this wouldn't apply to XP. What I wonder is if you're getting a good quality vsync while in windowed mode. Anyway, what you're suggesting should be possible, but you'd be limited to the desktop resolution, so in order to switch resolutions (to run games on their native video modes) you'd need to use ChangeDisplaySettings instead of relying on DirectX mode switching and exclusive mode, which would be rather messy.







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. * Hey, this thread looks like it spawned a decent conversation.... italieAdministrator  04/27/13 08:19 PM
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. * Re: Input lag DaRayu  04/07/13 11:19 PM
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. * Re: Input lag AWJ  04/11/13 11:44 PM
. * Re: Input lag DaRayu  04/11/13 11:47 PM
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. * Re: Input lag R. Belmont  04/13/13 10:08 PM
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. * Re: Input lag SmitdoggAdministrator  04/14/13 05:50 PM
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. * Re: Input lag DaRayu  04/22/13 10:51 PM
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. * Re: Input lag Bryan Ischo  04/24/13 10:04 PM
. * Re: Input lag Bryan Ischo  04/23/13 02:01 AM
. * Re: Input lag Anonymous  04/23/13 12:37 AM
. * Re: Input lag R. Belmont  04/15/13 06:27 PM
. * Re: Input lag DaRayu  04/15/13 10:30 PM
. * Microstutter; ATi's dark little secret. Firehawke  04/16/13 05:00 AM
. * Re: Microstutter; ATi's dark little secret. StilettoAdministrator  04/16/13 05:44 AM
. * Flip Queue Size Calamity  04/17/13 01:50 PM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size R. Belmont  04/17/13 02:48 PM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size Calamity  04/17/13 04:01 PM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size R. Belmont  04/17/13 05:41 PM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size DaRayu  04/18/13 12:32 AM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size grog  04/18/13 11:38 AM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size DaRayu  04/18/13 12:52 PM
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. * Re: Flip Queue Size DaRayu  04/18/13 02:28 PM
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. * Re: Flip Queue Size R. Belmont  04/19/13 04:21 AM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size DaRayu  04/19/13 08:38 AM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size Calamity  04/19/13 11:07 AM
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. * Re: Flip Queue Size Calamity  04/19/13 08:04 PM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size DaRayu  04/20/13 01:59 PM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size Calamity  04/20/13 11:24 PM
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. * Re: Flip Queue Size DaRayu  04/21/13 06:54 PM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size Calamity  04/24/13 12:06 AM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size DaRayu  04/24/13 04:27 PM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size Bryan Ischo  04/24/13 10:27 PM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size SmitdoggAdministrator  04/25/13 06:35 PM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size Bryan Ischo  04/25/13 06:45 PM
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. * Re: Flip Queue Size Bryan Ischo  04/25/13 12:51 AM
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. * Re: Flip Queue Size Bryan Ischo  04/25/13 06:07 PM
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. * Re: Flip Queue Size Bryan Ischo  04/26/13 06:03 PM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size Vas Crabb  04/27/13 02:02 AM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size DaRayu  04/25/13 11:45 PM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size Anonymous  04/25/13 07:58 PM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size SmitdoggAdministrator  04/25/13 06:39 PM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size Bryan Ischo  04/25/13 06:47 PM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size casm  04/25/13 09:13 PM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size Sune  04/25/13 01:14 AM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size Bryan Ischo  04/25/13 01:35 AM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size DaRayu  04/25/13 12:42 PM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size Bryan Ischo  04/25/13 06:10 PM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size StilettoAdministrator  04/25/13 03:19 AM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size Bryan Ischo  04/25/13 05:31 AM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size StilettoAdministrator  04/25/13 06:12 AM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size Anonymous  04/24/13 08:51 PM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size DaRayu  04/24/13 09:52 PM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size Sune  04/25/13 12:44 AM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size GatKong  04/23/13 08:04 PM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size DaRayu  04/19/13 08:09 PM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size grog  04/19/13 09:24 PM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size DaRayu  04/19/13 10:13 PM
. * Re: Flip Queue Size R. Belmont  04/19/13 04:44 PM
. * Re: Microstutter; ATi's dark little secret. R. Belmont  04/16/13 05:07 PM
. * Re: Microstutter; ATi's dark little secret. Anonymous  04/16/13 10:59 AM
. * Re: Input lag Anonymous  04/15/13 10:54 PM
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