MAMEWorld Forums - EmuChat - Re: Tredding on toes again

> No SDL Mame in Puppy 10 is slow on Legacy PCs. I think Mr. Belmont agrees with me on
> this.

Then using the term 'let down' is the insulting part. I read it as an insinuation that everything about that setup would work great except for the 'let down' that is SDL mame. Perhaps a sentence about how SDL mame is known to run slowly on that particular configuration would have been both more informative and less inflaming.

> I use .84 as an example of a release that works very well on Legacy PCs. Note the
> full stop and the wording..."Anything recent will need a faster rig to chew through
> the bloat". .84 is not recent. Release .139+ makes my modern system run like Zeno's
> Achilles

I use .84 because you used it. Who cares what version of MAME is being compared against; you're specifically saying that recent MAME is slow due to bloat. I'm just saying that this is an inflammatory way to describe recent MAME. If it wasn't intended to be inflammatory, then why did you use such an inflammatory term? 'Bloat' is an ugly word with ugly connotations, especially in the world of software, even more so on these forums where the criticism of MAME being bloated is thrown around by end users all of the time (unjustifiably so, by the way).

> Read the magazine article.

Can you just summarize for me? Because I don't really want to read a magazine article to understand your point as I think I understand it already.

> > Nobody said you had to remain mute.
> >
>
> So my post is justified. Thanks.

This is not the conclusion you should draw. Although I don't know exactly which post you are referring to, and since many things were said, it's not possible for a single statement to justify everything anyway. I guess you can say you were justified because your presumption that someone wants you to be mute turned out to be a false presumption, but that's a little weird. It's kind of like an argument that would go like this:

A: "The moon is made of cheese."
B: "No it isn't."
A: "I'm allowed to say whatever I want."
B: "I never said you weren't allowed to say what you want, just that the moon isn't made of cheese."
A: "So I guess I was justified in saying the moon is made of cheese."

In this argument, what is being justified? That person A is allowed to say whatever they want? But that was never in question. What was in question is whether or not the moon is made of cheese. And nothing about B's responses justifies A's assertion that the moon is made of cheese.

> My comments are for the people who read this message board. If the Mame Dev wants to
> respond, it is the wish of that person.
> Insulting their efforts? Really? Have a look on Waybackmachine.org for 2002-2005.
> Plenty of fodder to chew on there. Surprised? Nothing surprises me anymore.

Well like I said maybe I misunderstood your intentions, and if so I am sorry. But please don't use the term 'bloat' anymore and please, if you are going to make criticisms of MAME, provide some more details; these one liners don't look like criticism because they don't contain any backing evidence, they just look like insults to me because of that. Anyway it's not such a big deal in any case, I just noticed that you thought the MAME devs were jumping on you a little and I thought I knew why and could explain it to you.

Obviously only they could speak about their intentions, I can only assume; but I hope nobody else wades into this as there is little point to this discussion as I am sure you would agree.

Edited by Bryan Ischo (07/08/11 02:14 AM)