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Re: How about a clock for clock comparison.
04/19/11 10:42 PM


> That is very interesting. So could I then conclude that Intel is selling their Sandy
> Bridge chips at an artificially low clock rate because they don't have any
> competition that would force them to sell them closer to their potential speed?

Well, I'll freely admit MAME is a special case here that makes SNB look better than it might in a more general sense. There are very few other workloads you can impose on a PC in which per-clock single-threaded performance is of paramount importance nowadays.

> Meaning that if AMD was more competitive, Intel could just as easily sell these chips
> for the current price at higher clock rates as they can sell them now for the same
> price at lower clock rates?

Yes. IMO they could easily sell SNB at a stock clock of 4+ GHz without blowing out the thermal envelope. And actually the current pricing on SNB is quite good historically - for ~$300 you can get a 2600K that can blow the doors off every $999 Extreme Edition Intel's ever produced.

> If so, it only underscores the value of AMD in the x86 marketplace. We can all just
> pray that Bulldozer is competitive.

Bulldozer is reportedly optimized for multi-threaded workloads at the specific expense of single-threaded instructions per clock. That's totally viable for a lot of workloads now and it'll probably review and compete well (especially in servers), but it's not great for MAME.

> Or - is there another alternative - which is that in order to achieve these 'insane'
> Sandy Bridge overclocks you have to use either a very expensive cooling solution, or
> a very loud one, or both, which thus prevents Intel from selling these things at such
> high clock rates?

I'm using a ~$50 air cooler to run 1 GHz over stock, and it's got 2 large slow fans in a push-pull configuration, so it's no louder than the stock Intel cooler. Remember, Intel was shipping the Prescott P4s about 6 years ago, and those things idled very hot, let alone under load. If they brought back that cooler they'd be all set for stock-rated 4+ GHz parts I think.







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* MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz R. Belmont 03/06/11 12:56 AM
. * A 2500K comparison, something seems off for me. Kano11  05/31/11 03:39 PM
. * Re: A 2500K comparison, something seems off for me. John IV  05/31/11 11:59 PM
. * Re: A 2500K comparison, something seems off for me. Kano11  06/01/11 03:32 AM
. * How about a clock for clock comparison. ScottF  04/19/11 03:37 AM
. * Re: How about a clock for clock comparison. Fever  04/22/11 11:10 PM
. * Re: How about a clock for clock comparison. R. Belmont  04/19/11 06:33 AM
. * Re: How about a clock for clock comparison. Bryan Ischo  04/19/11 09:10 PM
. * Re: How about a clock for clock comparison. R. Belmont  04/19/11 10:42 PM
. * Re: How about a clock for clock comparison. Bryan Ischo  04/20/11 12:01 AM
. * Re: How about a clock for clock comparison. Sune  04/20/11 09:28 PM
. * Re: How about a clock for clock comparison. R. Belmont  04/20/11 10:25 PM
. * Re: How about a clock for clock comparison. Sune  04/20/11 11:50 PM
. * Re: How about a clock for clock comparison. R. Belmont  04/21/11 05:05 PM
. * Re: How about a clock for clock comparison. R. Belmont  04/20/11 12:18 AM
. * Re: How about a clock for clock comparison. AaronGiles  04/20/11 12:55 AM
. * Re: How about a clock for clock comparison. R. Belmont  04/20/11 02:58 AM
. * Re: How about a clock for clock comparison. Bryan Ischo  04/20/11 01:04 AM
. * Re: How about a clock for clock comparison. ScottF  04/19/11 03:46 PM
. * Re: How about a clock for clock comparison. R. Belmont  04/19/11 08:52 PM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz Master O  03/09/11 05:56 AM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz TrevEB  03/07/11 10:05 PM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz R. Belmont  03/07/11 05:42 PM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz Anonymous  03/07/11 05:49 PM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz R. Belmont  03/07/11 07:35 PM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz redk9258  03/07/11 10:22 PM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz Moose  03/09/11 04:31 AM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz redk9258  03/09/11 04:47 AM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz CrapBoardSoftware  03/07/11 08:10 PM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz R. Belmont  03/07/11 09:11 PM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz Foxhack  03/08/11 07:18 AM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz redk9258  03/08/11 08:26 AM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz redk9258  03/06/11 09:00 AM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz R. Belmont  03/06/11 12:50 PM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz Master O  03/06/11 10:46 PM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz R. Belmont  03/07/11 12:51 AM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz redk9258  03/07/11 01:59 AM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz Bryan Ischo  03/07/11 04:50 AM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz redk9258  03/07/11 07:13 AM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz Bryan Ischo  03/07/11 10:06 AM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz R. Belmont  03/07/11 03:57 PM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz Bryan Ischo  03/07/11 07:30 PM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz R. Belmont  03/07/11 07:43 PM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz Firehawke  03/06/11 08:14 AM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz Karasu  03/06/11 05:20 AM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz John IV  03/06/11 02:56 AM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz casm  03/06/11 02:51 AM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz R. Belmont  03/06/11 04:04 AM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz casm  03/06/11 05:24 PM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz Naoki  03/06/11 02:09 AM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz R. Belmont  03/06/11 04:05 AM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz Naoki  03/06/11 01:33 PM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz Ziggy100  03/06/11 01:48 PM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz R. Belmont  03/06/11 04:30 PM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz Firehawke  03/07/11 01:04 PM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz Heihachi_73  03/06/11 05:40 PM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz Naoki  03/06/11 07:36 PM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz Anonymous  03/14/11 09:55 PM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz R. Belmont  03/15/11 03:24 AM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz RetroLover  04/20/11 01:48 PM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz Bryan Ischo  03/15/11 04:20 AM
. * Re: MAME benched on Sandy Bridge @ 4.8 GHz Naoki  03/14/11 11:14 PM

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