MAMEWorld Forums - The Loony Bin - Re: I may get flamed for this, but this IS the loony bin so... (Retroarch Bounty)

> If people wanted lag reduction for arcade games they could have used GroovyMAME
> since, what, 2013? even before? I don't remember. Can't cheat with it, as it's not
> designed to defeat the emulated hardwares natural lag, only that which comes after
> the core emulation which is essentially the video/sync and input lag.
> And decent nearly or completely lagless flat panel TVs and monitors that don't break
> the bank have also been available without much effort since around that time.
> I think lots of people use run-ahead to almost completely eliminate lag regardless of
> that of the hardware they play emulated 'just because they can' thanks to that
> feature, not because they care about realistic emulation.
>
> Aside from that questionable 'too much', careless side of run-ahead, I think RA
> attracts people because of the multi-emulators aspect, but also a lot because of the
> great shaders, some of the convenience features, and maybe also the fancy UI.
> Nothing of that in RA would be bad per-se if it wasn't going too far and messy in
> places. Though IMHO the opposite (too rigid, complicated and austere) is also bad
> because it's a stinker for the user.
> Best world would be 'as much optimization and convenience as possible as long as it
> doesnt break emulation and respects peoples work', but today it's more like opposing
> parties each radicalizing on their own ideologies.
>
> I think ultimately MAME will be almost everything people wish for and more, maybe by
> itself, maybe with the help of a much polished dedicated external FE.
> But since MAME's busy being much, MUCH more than just a frontend with features, takes
> no detours and is very strict, also now does a lot of obscure niche machines
> emulation for expanded preservation, it all naturally takes a lot of time, during
> which it's beaten in popularity by opportunist things like RA that are not nearly as
> busy, don't care about doing it dirty and speak only to retro arcade & console games
> fans who are the considerably bigger demographics. Easy.
>
> Easy, yet that pocket money bounty shows a pathetic side of their project. Did MAME
> ever buy development?

How is GroovyMame dealing with input lag? My understanding is they only just recently implemented the beam racing technique. If that's true, was the previous method a hack job?

How is Groovy's system reqs compared to mainline?

Can you provide some examples of these lag free flat panels? I think even the best ones still add 1-3 frames. Could be wrong.

You still have the additional lag intruced by the emulator itself however many frames that is.

People who just want to play games aren't interested in swapping perfectly good TVs, computers, etc. If there is an available solution that gets them the results they want right then with what they have on hand, they're going to jump on it.

Again, just offering up real-world observation.