MAMEWorld Forums - The Loony Bin - Re: perfect example [nt]

> > At any rate, engineers and architects supporting some grand conspiracy theory is
> > embarrassing. All the buildings were connected by tunnels. All the buildings also
> had
> > elevator shafts. Windows were obviously damaged as well. Start some fires in
> building
> > 7. Now funnel thousands of cubic feet of air into these tunnels from each tower
> > collapsing. What are you left with in building 7? A fucking blast furnace, forge,
> > large kiln...etc. There is your extreme heat source and subsequent integrity
> > compromise. The rest is simple physics.
>
> So the fires in Building 7 started before the buildings collapsed? Do we really know
> if it happened because of the planes crashing and debris flying into WTC7? This would
> have to have been from WTC2 being hit from the south side and flaming debris flying
> over to that distance northward. Or was it due to the collapse and burning(?) debris
> making it's way to those offices? Wasn't the fire from the collapse said to have been
> on the ground floor? But there is video of fires up on a couple higher floors. That
> alone shouldn't be enough to bring a building down, and certainly no way for
> traveling air (or hot air) to fuel them from tunnels below.
>
> Blast furnace? How do you figure? Would there not have been debris to fill these
> tunnels? I mean, the buildings were completely destroyed up top... Why not underneath
> as well? (that's disregarding the witness accounts of explosions that were heard
> coming from underneath/underground before the collapse so we'd presume 110 stories
> being reduced to a 4 story high pile also didn't -maybe- fill up any space below
> that?). Could air have been flowing at a high enough rate to fuel it for a little
> less than 6 hours? Constantly? (I know I'm probably putting words in your mouth -
> just asking to see if you've thought it through). And would enough damage to the ALL
> supporting columns happen all at the same time so that the building falls
> symmetrically just as they do in almost all controlled high-rise demolitions?

I can't speak to event order. I can't say where there was, or was not fires. What I can say is this. If you give a fire forced air in the form of a weak draft through the tunnels, or a really strong one with a building coming down, and it's going to burn hotter. there was plenty of fuel, all that limited heat production was the amount and force of air coming through. It doesn't matter where the fire was vertically, as long as it was near a main support or two.

I can also say if you have an interconnected tunnel between buildings, and a billion tons of crap pushing down on a little hole, pressure is going to increase in those tunnels. Possibly enough pressure to blow a buildings sub-structure or footing to bits.

Regardless of how the structure was compromised, all it takes is a few beams to go. The funny thing about load distribution is that when you take away one support, the others compensate for it. Take away too many and the'll all start snapping like twigs.

All I'm trying to say, is that to be certain the fires in any of the buildings didn't reach a steel compromising temp is absurd. Hell, if something as insignificant as the AC still running was happening you are funneling in fresh air. Give fire air, and it gets hotter.

There are easier answers than "Gobernemt blowd it up." To even fathom that we had buildings in the heart of NY with C4 bricks at the ready on critical beams is crazy talk. So a dude took out a huge insurance policy on the building shortly before. I'll buy that someone tipped him off on a credible threat. When you own a building of that size, you don't screw around, ESPECIALLY if you've been a target before. I'll buy that the government knew about the credible threat and most of this is them back pedaling to cover up any foreknowledge. I just can't buy anything more.