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Re: Tredding on toes again
07/08/11 01:24 AM


>
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> I use let down and bloat in the same sentence with regard to what Microsoft
> releases.
> > Because I am a user of their code/product and I have a right to make a comment as a
> > paid consumer. That type of thinking shouldn't extend towards free software.
>
> I think what you're saying here is that you were talking about Microsoft software
> when you used those terms? Let me quote you:
>
> > The only let down is the SDL Mame inside.
>
> This is an insulting way to categorize SDL Mame. It's not a huge insult, of course,
> but it's also not a very nice way to describe someone else's hard work.



>
No SDL Mame in Puppy 10 is slow on Legacy PCs. I think Mr. Belmont agrees with me on this.

>

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> Seriously though just get .84 which will run great on that freebie. Anything recent
> > will need a faster rig to chew through all the bloat.
>
> Here you are clearly referring to post-.84 MAME as bloated. That's also insulting to
> the developers who worked on improving mame post-.84. You probably already know that
> 'bloat' is a term thrown around a lot on these forums when talking about newer
> releases of MAME and its connotations are now so inflammatory that the use of the
> term is unwise.



>

I use .84 as an example of a release that works very well on Legacy PCs. Note the full stop and the wording..."Anything recent will need a faster rig to chew through the bloat". .84 is not recent. Release .139+ makes my modern system run like Zeno's Achilles


>

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> I was reading an article in Games Magazine [108] regarding the cost of games and
> the
> > availability of free software, and how the consumers of the free software evaluate
> > with sharp criticism. The same being towards full price software. I found the
> article
> > addressed the situation correctly. [Its a good read.]
>
> Criticizing is not the same thing as insulting. When you toss around inflammatory
> wording it is more insult than criticism.




Read the magazine article.
>
>

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> If you acquire a free piece if software and do not like it, you are entitled to a
> > full refund. There is nothing stopping you making a valid and genuine comment about
> > the same said software. So much time and effort goes into maintaining each release.
> >
> > The developer can either go cry in a corner, ignore the comment, or make a change
> in
> > the code to address the problem. Microsoft doesn't get upset, they just do a better
> > job or ignore the comments.
>
> Well this is an aside but I know of no company who can produce so little with so many
> resources as Microsoft. With the hundreds of billions of dollars that have been
> thrown their way over the years for their products they should really be light years
> ahead of where they are now. I expect that most of that money went to buying
> multimillion dollar homes around the Puget Sound instead of into the software though.
>
> And there is a crucial difference between Microsoft software and MAME: Microsoft
> software you pay for with your dollars. MAME you pay for with your respect so be sure
> to pay generously.




Please reference your argument. Alone, those paragraphs have no merit.
>
>

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> A classic example is Vista. Nearly everyone complained (myself included) about the
> OS
> > and its performance. Now we have Windows 7. Does that extend to a user who gets
> that
> > OS free like a MSDNAA? Damn right it does.
>
> I don't quite understand your point entirely but I think you're trying to use this
> sentence as some supporting claim for justifying criticism of free software. But the
> thing is, nobody claimed that you can't criticize free software. It's about being
> respectful in your criticism when you are communicating directly with people who have
> given you something for free.




Read the magazine article
>
>

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> Developers are starting to listen to the general public, as the public contributes
> to
> > the development as testers of software.
> >
> > As far as I am concerned Mame was good enough at .84 for legacy and .116 for my
> > current build. I'm grateful for that. If software runs slow for no reason, does one
> > remain mute?
>
> Nobody said you had to remain mute.



>

So my post is justified. Thanks.

>

Quote:


You expressed surprise that you have gotten responses from MAME devs to your
> comments, implying that they are targeting you specifically. I am just telling you
> that the reason that you are getting these responses is because of the way you insult
> (intentionally or not) their efforts. Now that you know that, you can change your
> approach or not, it's up to you; but don't act surprised anymore.




My comments are for the people who read this message board. If the Mame Dev wants to respond, it is the wish of that person.
Insulting their efforts? Really? Have a look on Waybackmachine.org for 2002-2005. Plenty of fodder to chew on there. Surprised? Nothing surprises me anymore.







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. * Tredding on toes again Anonymous  07/06/11 11:39 PM
. * Re: Tredding on toes again Heihachi_73  07/08/11 09:34 AM
. * Re: Tredding on toes again Bryan Ischo  07/07/11 07:58 PM
. * Re: Tredding on toes again Anonymous  07/07/11 11:52 PM
. * Re: Tredding on toes again Bryan Ischo  07/08/11 12:41 AM
. * Re: Tredding on toes again Anonymous  07/08/11 01:24 AM
. * Re: Tredding on toes again Bryan Ischo  07/08/11 02:12 AM
. * Re: Tredding on toes again Anonymous  07/08/11 04:45 PM
. * Re: Tredding on toes again Bryan Ischo  07/08/11 07:25 PM
. * Re: Tredding on toes again R. Belmont  07/08/11 07:50 PM
. * Re: Tredding on toes again Bryan Ischo  07/08/11 08:13 PM
. * Re: Tredding on toes again Anonymous  07/08/11 08:37 PM
. * Re: Tredding on toes again Bryan Ischo  07/08/11 10:30 PM
. * Re: Tredding on toes again R. Belmont  07/08/11 04:40 PM
. * Re: Tredding on toes again Anonymous  07/08/11 05:12 PM
. * Re: Tredding on toes again R. Belmont  07/08/11 06:29 PM
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. * Re: Tredding on someone's big toe. R. Belmont  07/08/11 10:17 PM
. * Re: Tredding on someone's big toe. Anonymous  07/09/11 01:02 AM
. * Re: Tredding on someone's big toe. B2K24  07/09/11 02:32 AM
. * Re: Tredding on toes again StilettoAdministrator  07/08/11 03:25 AM
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