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Pages: 1 John IV IV/Play, MAME, MAMEUI Reged: 09/22/03 Posts: 1969 Loc: Washington, USA Send PM Atari 2600 joystick USB suggestions #396894 - 08/22/23 08:58 PM Reply Anyone have suggestions for a USB Atari 2600 joystick? Is the Retrolink Classic the closest? john iv http://www.mameui.info/ Roman Regular Reged: 09/21/03 Posts: 1584 Send PM Re: Atari 2600 joystick USB suggestions [Re: John IV] #396895 - 08/22/23 09:13 PM Reply USB? Nah....get this https://atari.com/products/atari-2600-plus instead ;-) John IV IV/Play, MAME, MAMEUI Reged: 09/22/03 Posts: 1969 Loc: Washington, USA Send PM Re: Atari 2600 joystick USB suggestions [Re: Roman] #396896 - 08/22/23 10:36 PM Reply Laugh, I didn't say I wanted to play A2600 games with the joystick. ;-) Like the other thread here I've been playing Pacman (free range, no patterns) a lot lately and rage out when I get a misdirection w/ all my controllers. These joysticks seem like the quickest / cheapest way to get a 4-way joystick into the mix. john iv http://www.mameui.info/ B2K24 MAME @ 15 kHz Sony Trinitron CRT user Reged: 10/25/10 Posts: 2663 Send PM Re: Atari 2600 joystick USB suggestions [Re: John IV] #396899 - 08/23/23 07:04 AM Reply > Laugh, I didn't say I wanted to play A2600 games with the joystick. ;-) > > Like the other thread here I've been playing Pacman (free range, no patterns) a lot > lately and rage out when I get a misdirection w/ all my controllers. These joysticks > seem like the quickest / cheapest way to get a 4-way joystick into the mix. Why can't MAME simply disable the other inputs with a toggle in the UI so you have 4-way on a per-game or set basis that a user has full control over? Would seem to make more sense then seeking out other hardware. John IV IV/Play, MAME, MAMEUI Reged: 09/22/03 Posts: 1969 Loc: Washington, USA Send PM Re: Atari 2600 joystick USB suggestions [Re: B2K24] #396900 - 08/23/23 08:29 AM Reply Looks like we can try it w/ the -joymap option, lacking a pure hardware solution: -joymap s8.4s8.44s8.4445 https://www.retrogamedeconstructionzone.com/2019/11/joystick-mapping-in-mame.html https://docs.mamedev.org/commandline/commandline-all.html#mame-commandline-joystickmap john iv http://www.mameui.info/ Vas Crabb BOFH Reged: 12/13/05 Posts: 4462 Loc: Melbourne, Australia Send PM Re: Atari 2600 joystick USB suggestions [Re: B2K24] #396904 - 08/23/23 04:53 PM Reply > Why can't MAME simply disable the other inputs with a toggle in the UI so you have > 4-way on a per-game or set basis that a user has full control over? > > Would seem to make more sense then seeking out other hardware. MAME does suppress diagonals for games that expect a four-way joystick. However, you’re still not going to get that snappy, tactile transition between horizontal and vertical if you don’t have a real four-way joystick. It just isn’t the same. B2K24 MAME @ 15 kHz Sony Trinitron CRT user Reged: 10/25/10 Posts: 2663 Send PM Re: Atari 2600 joystick USB suggestions [Re: Vas Crabb] #396905 - 08/23/23 06:34 PM Reply > > Why can't MAME simply disable the other inputs with a toggle in the UI so you have > > 4-way on a per-game or set basis that a user has full control over? > > > > Would seem to make more sense then seeking out other hardware. > > MAME does suppress diagonals for games that expect a four-way joystick. However, > you’re still not going to get that snappy, tactile transition between horizontal and > vertical if you don’t have a real four-way joystick. It just isn’t the same. I trust your word. ty for letting us know John IV IV/Play, MAME, MAMEUI Reged: 09/22/03 Posts: 1969 Loc: Washington, USA Send PM Re: Atari 2600 joystick USB suggestions [Re: John IV] #396929 - 08/27/23 05:57 AM Reply Just to follow up on this. Atari is going to be re-introducing a replica CX40, it's up for pre-sale: https://atari.com/products/cx40-joystick In the meantime I opted for a 2600 II daptor: http://2600-daptor.com/ and an OEM stick from eBAY. We'll see how the new replica stacks up to the original in November. john iv http://www.mameui.info/ John IV IV/Play, MAME, MAMEUI Reged: 09/22/03 Posts: 1969 Loc: Washington, USA Send PM Re: Atari 2600 joystick USB suggestions [Re: Vas Crabb] #396930 - 08/27/23 06:01 AM Reply > MAME does suppress diagonals for games that expect a four-way joystick. However, > you’re still not going to get that snappy, tactile transition between horizontal and > vertical if you don’t have a real four-way joystick. It just isn’t the same. Vas, does the -joymap I posted above work in addition to the built-in suppression you're talking about or is it redundant for four way games like pacman. Do I get anything out of the switch in this case? john iv http://www.mameui.info/ uman MAME Fan Reged: 04/15/12 Posts: 455 Send PM Re: Atari 2600 joystick USB suggestions [Re: John IV] #396931 - 08/27/23 11:44 AM Reply > Just to follow up on this. > Atari is going to be re-introducing a replica CX40, it's up for pre-sale: > https://atari.com/products/cx40-joystick > > In the meantime I opted for a 2600 II daptor: > http://2600-daptor.com/ > > and an OEM stick from eBAY. We'll see how the new replica stacks up to the original > in November. AFAIK the Atari 2600 joystick is NOT a 4 way stick. A 4 way stick has either a restrictor inside or is built in such a way, that you can not press two directions (by accident or in any other way). The Atari 2600 is NOT built like that. This joystick can do diagonal directions, making it a 8-way joystick. Vas Crabb BOFH Reged: 12/13/05 Posts: 4462 Loc: Melbourne, Australia Send PM Re: Atari 2600 joystick USB suggestions [Re: uman] #396932 - 08/27/23 01:17 PM Reply > AFAIK the Atari 2600 joystick is NOT a 4 way stick. A 4 way stick has either a > restrictor inside or is built in such a way, that you can not press two directions > (by accident or in any other way). The Atari 2600 is NOT built like that. This > joystick can do diagonal directions, making it a 8-way joystick. Correct, the Atari 2600 was designed for and used 8-way joysticks. Vas Crabb BOFH Reged: 12/13/05 Posts: 4462 Loc: Melbourne, Australia Send PM Re: Atari 2600 joystick USB suggestions [Re: John IV] #396933 - 08/27/23 01:20 PM Reply > Vas, does the -joymap I posted above work in addition to the built-in suppression > you're talking about or is it redundant for four way games like pacman. Do I get > anything out of the switch in this case? -joymap only applies when converting analog joystick inputs for games that use digital joysticks. You aren’t actually using an analog joystick for games that used a 4-way digital joystick, are you? John IV IV/Play, MAME, MAMEUI Reged: 09/22/03 Posts: 1969 Loc: Washington, USA Send PM Re: Atari 2600 joystick USB suggestions [Re: Vas Crabb] #396934 - 08/27/23 06:49 PM Reply > -joymap only applies when converting analog joystick inputs for games that use > digital joysticks. You aren’t actually using an analog joystick for games that used a > 4-way digital joystick, are you? I sometimes attempt to use the left thumb stick on an Xbox Elite 2 to see how it does in pacman vs the dpad. I guess that would be a use case for the -joymap in this scenario. john iv http://www.mameui.info/ Pages: 1

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