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#392512 - 11/10/21 03:48 AM
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Hi emuloader dev!
We talked before on the progetosnaps forum but unfortunately antopisa locks threads there without even answering...
I think antopisa maybe is embarassed that he is posting wrong game counts on his website for many mame versions, year after year and that I as a complete mame beginner find they are wrong...
I don't see no other reason why antopisa should lock my thread ...
Anyway, ignoring this kind of behavior, I would like to ask you how many games emuloader finds for (not for the software lists):
- games using chds
- games using samples
- all parent games
If possible, can you show this to antopisa, because he doesn't read what I say and only locks/being hostile to me :-(
I have no idea why...
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Re: game counts
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#392543 - 11/10/21 01:01 PM
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Emu Loader + MAME 0.237 + "add device sets with no ROMs" setting enabled (no mercy mode ON).
1067 sets with CHD
1273 sets with samples, including device and bios sets; but one or more device sets do not have < sample name=""/ > entries in listxml, but do have a device_ref="samples" entry. I think they do not use external samples. This count might be a few sets lower...
18489 parent sets, including device sets with no ROMs.
25424 clone sets, including device sets with no ROMs.
I think device sets with no ROMs should not be included, but there are ROMless device sets that require external sound samples. For this reason, they I recommend keeping them in the list.
Perhaps EL could have a a new devices filter: "Devices With No ROMs, but With External Audio Samples" (filter name needs work...)
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Hi
Thank you for answering! I won't to make some clarifications too:
1. You can't discuss math counts. You can discuss if the filter you apply is right or wrong, but once this filter is chosen and confirmed to give the right results, the count is the SAME for everybody...
2. Using 1. as a guideline, I here post the output of a small Python UI that reads OFFICIAL mame xml. The filter applied you can see in the 2nd column. So do we agree we both have the same input (mame xml) and output (a count of machines)?
Well, then both of you are wrong in some cases. Compare the counts with my screenshot. I checked it 100 times and I believe my counts are correct.
3. All sample data, the file names and if a machine uses samples, is 100% defined in mame xml. And the only thing you need to count are machines having "sampleof" XML attribute.
Some of those games don't have "sample" tag but that doesn't matter, the machine gets his samples from the romset listed after "sampleof="
4. Ciro, can you check why in some cases you have 1 count more (or very similar) then me? Maybe your frontend counts the appearance of a search string inside the XML DTD, which lists each XML tag or attribute ONCE too?
If anybody sees a mistake in my counts too, please let me know!
kind regards
Valentina
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Re: game counts
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#392553 - 11/10/21 07:25 PM
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>
> "sampleof=" and "isdevice="yes" runnable="no" sampleof=" we have these two results:
> 21 and 1,273. By subtracting the first from the second, "my" 1,252 comes out, which
> therefore corresponds to all the elements with samples, except those of the devices.
My criterion is simply this, no mistake, just my point of view (not just mine to tell
> the truth).
It makes no sense the remove the devices. Devices are machines too that can use samples, but they are just not runnable. So the filter "give me all machines using samples" is this one: "sampleof=" must be found inside a machine XML tag. It has nothing to do with being device or not.
For CHDs: On the other hand, your CHD count is totally wrong. Ciro and me have results close to each other (maybe one of us has a bug) but your result is WAY of, because you have 1074...
This means your filter is not applied correctly. The only way to find a machine that uses 1 or more CHD files, is to count if there is one or more "disk" XML tags inside a "machine" XML tag. So you don't count this correctly.
For parents: you have 13084 so you probably remove devices from this correct? If you take my parents count 18485 - 5401 = 13084. So you are correct with that count. But in theory,devices are parents too...
Conclusion:
- Sample count is wrong in my opinion, because a device can use samples too.
- CHD count is wrong DEFINITELY. Your filter is wrong or wrong applied... Can you please fix this in renameset?
I don't know why Ciro finds 2 more machines here...
But your count is totally wrong :-)
- Parent count is correct if you remove devices.
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Ciro,
- your parents and clone counts (with no roms) are wrong.
But just slightly (some more machines).
Antopisa has the correct results for parents (he removed the devices) and clones!
- Could you send me a list of all your machines using CHD?
Just a txt file with romset name on each line?
I would like to find why you have 2 more machines then me. I have 1065 and you have 1067.
I compare the list with my list using a tool to find the 2 machines.
Thank you
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#392557 - 11/10/21 09:17 PM
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Thank you kirby for these results. I will have a better look in my frontend's listxml parse function.
All info is taken from MAME's -lixtxml output.
I will check Emu Loader's results with the built-in MAME frontend.
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Re: game counts
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#392558 - 11/10/21 09:41 PM
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Hiding device sets, parent sets is the same as MAME: 13084 (73 sets are BIOS sets)
Hiding device sets, clones sets is the same as MAME: 25423 (73 sets are BIOS sets)
Hiding device sets, sets with external audio samples: 1252
Showing sets with CHD, now it shows: 1065 (MAME shows 1076)
Hiding device sets, showing sets without CHDs (misc filters tool bar button), it shows: 37422
(Emu Loader is missing 11 sets that use CHDs ??)... I will investigate.
Sets with external audio samples. Must re-check my games list against -listxml output to make sure it's parsing sets info correctly.
Every game entry in -listxml output is either tagged with sampleof=" or with the sample name=" tag. Parsing this info should be simple. That's how Emu Loader does it.
My parent and clone filters show the same as MAME's internal frontend.
My sets with CHDs filter seems to be incorrect. 11 sets with CHDs are not tagged correctly.
>> PS: Sorry Ciro for this completely off topic discussion.
>> For me it is closed here, greetings.
No worries. My filters are the same as MAME, except the device sets count. I will take a look at this issue and reply here with my findings. Other than that, there's nothing else to discuss, really.
I haven't updated the listxml parse routine in quite a while when it comes to detect game sets and device sets. I must have missed some recent MAME changes.
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#392560 - 11/10/21 09:59 PM
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detecting only "sampleof=" might not be enough. I will make some tests and if the "sample name=" entry is found, I will make EL tag those sets as "samples required", just to see if the count stays the same.
Other than that, this is correct.
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#392562 - 11/10/21 11:18 PM
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The numbers match my counts exactly!
Then there is a bug in the count of CHD games in MAME.
There is no other explanation. I don't see any mistake here...
Attached is the list of 1065 games using CHD files. I can't attach a txt file or zip file here for some reason.
The number 1074 is wrong.
Please give me the 9 games you think I'm missing and I'm happy to show you they don't use any CHD file.
Maybe it are clones (without "disk" tag) that have a parent with "disk" tag(s) and the clone uses the CHD files of that parent?
Investigating now...
Can a MAME developer confirm my last thought is a possibility?
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I think it's enough to search for "sampleof"
Did you find a game that has no "sampleof" but STILL uses samples?
Can you give me the romset names of those?
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About the samples count: if you count ALL games having "sampleof=" AND ALL games having one or more "sample" XML tags, the result is still 1273. I just tested this.
So it's enough to count "sampleof=" as I said before.
The CHD count is a mystery...
Let me know if you find it!
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Re: game counts
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#392566 - 11/10/21 11:57 PM
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MAME's internal UI shows 1074 sets with CHD, just like AntoPISA's screenshots. To find what those sets are, it's gonna take me some time.
>> Maybe it are clones (without "disk" tag)
No, ALL CHD entries in -listxml output have the "< disk" entry: parents, clones, bios, devices...
When a clone set uses the CHD of a parent, the "< disk" entry has a "merge" tag followed by the name of the parent's CHD filename.
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#392567 - 11/11/21 12:02 AM
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I just recreated MAME games list and no, Emu Loader could not find any.
"sampleof" tag is present in all sets, but for safety, when Emu Loader finds the first "sample name" tag, it validates an internal "SampleName" variable in the frontend, if it's empty, then it tags the game as "sample required".
This is done in case no "sampleof" tag was found...
So yes, looking for "sampleof" seems to do the trick. Emu Loader just goes an extra mile to make sure.
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I just added a counter when creating MAME games list, and it only found 1065 sets with CHD files (-listxml output). 9 sets difference between my frontend...
Now I need to find a way and print the games list from MAME's internal frontend and see why the 1074 sets with CHD
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CHDs count, I found them!
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#392581 - 11/11/21 03:38 AM
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I found the 9 sets Emu Loader does not list as CHDs. It's because in -listxml NONE OF THEM have "< disk" tags. MAME shows them in "require CHDs" filter because the emulator has hidden driver info that is not shared in -listxml output.
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chihiro Chihiro Bios
dragchrn Dragon Chronicles (DC001 Ver. A)
kpython Konami Python BIOS
nichidvd Nichibutsu High Rate DVD BIOS
simldv1000 Pioneer LDV-1000 Simulator
simpr8210 Pioneer PR-8210 Simulator
sys246 System 246 BIOS
sys256 System 256 BIOS
taitotz Type Zero BIOS
To include those as CHDs, I'll have to manually add them in the Emu Loader's source code 
I really don't like doing this...
But that shouldn't matter because they are mostly bios and devices with only "ROM" entries (non-playable sets).
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