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Why do you need the PALs/PROMs for CPS1 ROMs anyway?
#388498 - 11/08/20 04:21 PM


What purpose do they serve other than making the legally-obtainable ROMs in "Capcom Coin-Op Classics Series 1" unusable in modern emulators? And are they public domain or legally obatinable online?

Oh and if you're gonna trash me again for trying to be a clean and legit gamer, which I've completely made up my mind about because downloading ROMs is against the law no matter what, then I'm gonna declare this site a joke and legitimately quit...



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Re: Why do you need the PALs/PROMs for CPS1 ROMs anyway? new [Re: SpiDoL]
#388499 - 11/08/20 04:30 PM


Because we're trying to have as much information as possible for people needing to repair PCBs. If it wasn't required in the rom it would just be lost through time.



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Re: Why do you need the PALs/PROMs for CPS1 ROMs anyway? new [Re: Olivier Galibert]
#388500 - 11/08/20 04:40 PM


> Because we're trying to have as much information as possible for people needing to
> repair PCBs. If it wasn't required in the rom it would just be lost through time.

Mm, understandable.

But once again, is there any way to obtain them legally?



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Re: Why do you need the PALs/PROMs for CPS1 ROMs anyway? new [Re: SpiDoL]
#388501 - 11/08/20 05:51 PM



Quote:


But once again, is there any way to obtain them legally?





Purchase PCB, dump them yourself



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Re: Why do you need the PALs/PROMs for CPS1 ROMs anyway? new [Re: SpiDoL]
#388502 - 11/08/20 06:40 PM


> But once again, is there any way to obtain them legally?

Depending on what the PALs are used for, they may not be eligible for copyright protection. A PAL used for address decoding or bus arbitration would likely be considered purely utilitarian or functional, and therefore not qualifying a creative work eligible for copyright protection. However, a PAL used for copy protection may be protected under anti-circumvention provisions of the DMCA or similar laws.

(As usual, don’t get your legal advice from forums on the Internet.)



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Re: Why do you need the PALs/PROMs for CPS1 ROMs anyway? new [Re: SpiDoL]
#388504 - 11/08/20 07:19 PM


> Oh and if you're gonna trash me again for trying to be a clean and legit gamer, which
> I've completely made up my mind about because downloading ROMs is against the law no
> matter what, then I'm gonna declare this site a joke and legitimately quit...

Please do, we have been awaiting that for years. :P



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Re: Why do you need the PALs/PROMs for CPS1 ROMs anyway? new [Re: SpiDoL]
#388506 - 11/08/20 08:06 PM


> I'm gonna declare this site a joke and legitimately quit...

Good



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Re: Why do you need the PALs/PROMs for CPS1 ROMs anyway? new [Re: SpiDoL]
#388507 - 11/08/20 08:18 PM


Just download the roms, dude. Everyone here does it. Literally nobody cares. Spare yourself this needless agony and just have some fun for Christ's sake.



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Re: Why do you need the PALs/PROMs for CPS1 ROMs anyway? new [Re: SpiDoL]
#388508 - 11/08/20 09:17 PM


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And if we are going to apply the rules fairly to everyone here, read Rule #5.

Edited by Mr. Do (11/08/20 09:30 PM)



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Re: Why do you need the PALs/PROMs for CPS1 ROMs anyway? new [Re: SpiDoL]
#388509 - 11/08/20 09:18 PM


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And if we are going to apply the rules fairly to everyone here, read Rule #5.

Edited by Mr. Do (11/08/20 09:30 PM)



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Re: Why do you need the PALs/PROMs for CPS1 ROMs anyway? new [Re: SpiDoL]
#388510 - 11/08/20 09:22 PM


> What purpose do they serve other than making the legally-obtainable ROMs in "Capcom
> Coin-Op Classics Series 1" unusable in modern emulators? And are they public domain
> or legally obatinable online?
>
> Oh and if you're gonna trash me again for trying to be a clean and legit gamer, which
> I've completely made up my mind about because downloading ROMs is against the law no
> matter what, then I'm gonna declare this site a joke and legitimately quit...


Well... if you want to be completely and technically in the right here:

-- The collection "Capcom Coin-Op Classic Series 1" CD was distributed specifically to consumers that purchased a Hanaho Hot Rod Joystick... see manual here:

https://www.manualslib.com/manual/712860/Hanaho-Games-Hotrod-Joystick.html?page=3#manual

-- By purchasing the Hot Rod, the consumer also received the CD as part of the purchase, of which Hanaho paid Capcom a licensing fee for each Hot Rod that they sold

-- The licensing agreement for the games would have stated something along the line about how the use of those games is bound to the purchase of the joystick; there might be a text file on the CD, or it may have come with the joystick, I'm not entirely positive

End game... if you bought the joystick, you also bought a license for the games included on the CD. If you simply bought the used CD only on eBay or something, then I'm sorry, you don't have a "legal license" to play those games like you think you do.

It is like an OEM disc of Windows that comes bundled with a new PC: by buying the PC, you have a license to use Windows on that PC only. If that disc by itself is transferred to another person, that new person does not have a legal right to install windows on some other PC, because the actual software is still being used on the PC from the original buyer. Make sense?

Finally, no matter how many times you come here asking the same question, the answer is not going to change... it's been explained to you (or ignored) multiple times, by people on multiple forums:

https://www.assembler-games.com/threads/capcom-coin-op-classics-series-1-street-fighter.70523/

https://www.psx-place.com/threads/capcom-coin-op-classics-series-1-street-fighter.31714/

https://gbatemp.net/threads/capcom-coin-op-classics-series-1-street-fighter.535918/

If you would like to expand on the matter of legality things included on disc:

-- When you buy a game collection disc for a console system, such as Sonic Ultimate Genesis Collection for PS3, or Atari Vault for Nintendo Switch, it's still the same concept. You have purchased a license to play those games on the medium for which the license was purchased. You do not have a license or legal right to transfer those files to a PC then play them in an emulator.

So in this post here:

https://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/sh...part=1&vc=1

You don't have a license to play those games in an emulator on a PC.

We really, really don't understand why you keep coming here asking the same question, thinking you will eventually get a different answer than the previous time. It's not going to happen.

At the top of the forum, click the link for "Rules" and read #4. This is essentially what you are doing. One more time, and you'll be locked out over here. As a previous poster in this thread stated, we have been more than lenient up to this point.




RELAX and just have fun. Remember, it's all about the games.




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Re: Why do you need the PALs/PROMs for CPS1 ROMs anyway? new [Re: Mr. Do]
#388512 - 11/09/20 12:00 AM


Dammit. All right, since that's the case, I won't ask for help on this stuff again.



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Re: Why do you need the PALs/PROMs for CPS1 ROMs anyway? new [Re: SpiDoL]
#388513 - 11/09/20 12:28 AM


> Dammit. All right, since that's the case, I won't ask for help on this stuff again.
>
> I just hope dumping my cartridges to ROMs using the Retrode and dumping my disc-based
> games to ISOs isn't against laws and/or licenses either. Then what am I gonna do? Can
> you verify that too?

You worry too much. It's bad for your health.



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Re: Why do you need the PALs/PROMs for CPS1 ROMs anyway? new [Re: SpiDoL]
#388514 - 11/09/20 12:58 AM


> Dammit. All right, since that's the case, I won't ask for help on this stuff again.
>
> I just hope dumping my cartridges to ROMs using the Retrode and dumping my disc-based
> games to ISOs isn't against laws and/or licenses either. Then what am I gonna do? Can
> you verify that too?

https://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Number=387736

Short answer: Yes, it's illegal to use your console platform ISOs on PC. The dumping process also usually involves breaking other laws like circumventing protections and modifying hardware with custom firmwares violating copyright laws and terms of service agreements.

Now move along and seek medical help please. You are breaking laws in this forum for asking already answered questions.



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Re: Why do you need the PALs/PROMs for CPS1 ROMs anyway? new [Re: SpiDoL]
#388515 - 11/09/20 12:58 AM


> Dammit. All right, since that's the case, I won't ask for help on this stuff again.
>
> I just hope dumping my cartridges to ROMs using the Retrode and dumping my disc-based
> games to ISOs isn't against laws and/or licenses either. Then what am I gonna do? Can
> you verify that too?

* This post has been deleted due to incorrect or misleading information *

(Starting to sound like Twitter over here now).

Edited by Mr. Do (11/09/20 01:15 AM)


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