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DU: Barrage
#380191 - 12/20/18 09:54 PM
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SpinalFeyd dumped Barrage (Japanese Windows Game from 1998)
Hammy, Jonhughes & Digshadow dumped a bootleg of Ninja Kazan
Asure dumped a new set of the bootleg of Moon Patrol named Moon Ranger
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Re: DU: Barrage
[Re: Smitdogg]
#380201 - 12/21/18 06:53 PM
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...Are those official Bally stickers on a bootleg?
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Re: DU: Barrage
[Re: ICEknight]
#380202 - 12/21/18 08:13 PM
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Re: DU: Barrage
[Re: Smitdogg]
#380212 - 12/22/18 01:39 AM
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> Fakes as far as I know
This is the reason i've dumped this board and it's roms.
I'll leave the facts below:
- Stickers are official EU Baly Wulff GMBH
- Stickers are on all boards, and all share the same serial.
- Boards have the 'bootleg' silk screening on them
- Boards have the 'original' blue color
- Board was running the original mpatrol romset (one rom damaged by bitrot and offset 0xff bytes it seems.)
- The 4 program roms differ from the gfx roms in look & feel. They have yellow labels, and all roms on other boards have the silver/grey labels.
As for the sticker, i think it's original. Here's the same pcb without the sticker, also from Germany 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Moon_patrol_original_arcade_pcb_top.JPG
It leaves me with the question why a Bally Midway partner would distribute what looks like a bootleg board. And not just once, there's a user on a German forum that said he always thought his board was licensed by Bally Wulff, presumably because of the stickers it has on it. (See https://www.arcadezentrum.com/forum/inde...elcher-pinout/) Also we can't go back in time to verify who put the Mpatrol roms on them instead of mranger.
It's a strange 'case' but everything points towards the boards being bootleg.
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Re: Moon Ranger
[Re: Asure]
#380232 - 12/22/18 10:13 PM
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>>Asure dumped a new set of the bootleg of Moon Patrol named Moon Ranger
>This is the reason i've dumped this board and it's roms.
>I'll leave the facts below:
- Stickers are official EU Baly Wulff GMBH
- Stickers are on all boards, and all share the same serial.
- Boards have the 'bootleg' silk screening on them
- Boards have the 'original' blue color
- Board was running the original mpatrol romset (one rom damaged by bitrot and offset 0xff bytes it seems.)
- The 4 program roms differ from the gfx roms in look & feel. They have yellow labels, and all roms on other boards have the silver/grey labels.
>As for the sticker, i think it's original.
Some of that info worth adding to the supposed additional Moon Ranger entry in case your Moon Ranger pcb does get supported at a later time. I wonder how much difference there will be between your Moon Ranger versus what is already supported.
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src/mame/drivers/m52.cpp
ROM_START(mranger)
GAME(1982, mranger, mpatrol, m52, mpatrol, m52_state, empty_init, ROT0, "bootleg", "Moon Ranger (bootleg of Moon Patrol)", MACHINE_SUPPORTS_SAVE) // Italy
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Re: Moon Ranger
[Re: gregf]
#380236 - 12/22/18 11:32 PM
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>Some of that info worth adding to the supposed additional Moon Ranger entry in case your Moon Ranger pcb does get supported at a later time.
>I wonder how much difference there will be between your Moon Ranger versus what is already supported.
The board is running 4 Moon Patrol roms on yellow stickers stamped 2/3/4/5 and the gfx/audio/etc. roms are all redumped and match Moon Patrol as well.
So as-is it can't be added. The board is a 1:1 match with exception of the heat sink and ribbon cables. Then again an original WMS versions with the same ribbon cables also exists. It just adds more confusion.
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Re: Moon Ranger
[Re: Asure]
#380253 - 12/23/18 10:04 AM
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>The board is running 4 Moon Patrol roms on yellow stickers stamped 2/3/4/5 and the
>gfx/audio/etc. roms are all redumped and match Moon Patrol as well.
>So as-is it can't be added. The board is a 1:1 match with exception of the heat sink and
>ribbon cables.
Okay. Thanks for thoroughly getting the pcb and roms examined to make sure everything matched.
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