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i3 8350k for MAME
#373463 - 01/27/18 03:52 AM


Hey guys...the new i3's are quad core and run at a baseline frequency of 4.0 ghz and people are easily getting them close to 5 ghz. The price is only $160.00

Any dev opinions on how this would handle Gauntlet Legends, Gradius IV, Blitz; the usual heavy hitters?

Also I would be using Groovymame with frame delay of about 7 on certain drivers.

Would this suffice?



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Re: i3 8350k for MAME new [Re: Dante82]
#373526 - 01/29/18 04:01 PM


126 views and no idea? Has anyone not switched to Coffee Lake yet?



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Re: i3 8350k for MAME new [Re: Dante82]
#373527 - 01/29/18 05:12 PM


Why would you want a frame delay of 7 or any at all?



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Re: i3 8350k for MAME new [Re: Dante82]
#373528 - 01/29/18 05:33 PM


> 126 views and no idea? Has anyone not switched to Coffee Lake yet?

Frame skipping is to improve performance on low powered cpu’s I thought. If your Coffee Lake runs the machines at full frames, no need to skip any. I’m still using a core 2 duo x6800 in one of my boxes, runs mame like a boss.



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Re: i3 8350k for MAME new [Re: SteelTigers]
#373529 - 01/29/18 06:32 PM


> Frame skipping is to improve performance on low powered cpu’s I thought. If your
> Coffee Lake runs the machines at full frames, no need to skip any.

frame_delay is a GroovyMAME specific feature.
It's completely different from frame skipping.


http://geedorah.com/eiusdemmodi/forum/viewtopic.php?id=290

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3. frame_delay 0

This, along with -vsync_offset, is the only option where the Groovy MAME user must really make an extra effort of testing and configure the emulator in a per-game basis in order to get the best possible emulation out of it (particularly, regarding the input lag issue), since this feature is heavily dependent on the computer's CPU and the usage every emulated game in particular makes of it.

The frame delay feature actually serves two purposes:

- Delaying the emulation of a frame in order to get the most up-to-date input state before going into the emulation itself

- Bypassing a frame queue that's built in the ATI video drivers when Direct 3-D 9 is used which adds a lag of 2-3 frames by itself (be aware that Direct 3-D 9 Ex already bypasses it, so there's no need for enabling frame delay with this version of the API for this purpose; just under plain Direct 3-D 9)

For actually getting the former, a CPU fast enough to emulate each frame at a fraction of the time that the original hardware did would be required, so this option is implemented in gradual steps from 1 to 9, where 1 stands for 10 % of a frame period and 9 stands for 90 %. This way, the user is able to adapt it to get the longer possible delay with the hardware in use. Notice that, theoretically, using -frame_delay set to 1 would be almost equal to not using -frame_delay at all (0) -- just 10 % more chances of catching the input in time for the next frame. The actual gain would come from raising from 1 to 9, and that gain only translates to the last remaining frame of lag and only statistically (that is, it may help only with 33 % of the total frames), so, in the end, the effect may not be really relevant.

The risk of enabling -frame_delay is that it becomes possible that several frames of emulation get into the same vertical retrace, especially if the emulation of a given game is fast enough on the target CPU, which results in an accelerated speed. Depending on the CPU and the emulated game's requirements, 1-2 most likely will be too low and 8-9, too high, so it's suggested to check how CPU-demanding the game is (by running it unthrottled and with frame delay disabled) and, if it's, say, around 700-1000 %, then set frame delay to 3 or 4, and then check if there're not emulation/speed issues. A better global approach, though, may be to always start with 8 and decrement it until a stable performance is got (check MAME's display for emulation speed when running every game).






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Re: i3 8350k for MAME new [Re: Dante82]
#373530 - 01/29/18 06:37 PM


> Any dev opinions on how this would handle Gauntlet Legends, Gradius IV, Blitz; the
> usual heavy hitters?

It will perform roughly the same as any other recent Intel CPU at the same clock speed.
Here's some benchmarks for reference...

http://www.mameui.info/Bench.htm



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Re: i3 8350k for MAME new [Re: Dante82]
#373533 - 01/29/18 08:34 PM


> Hey guys...the new i3's are quad core and run at a baseline frequency of 4.0 ghz and
> people are easily getting them close to 5 ghz. The price is only $160.00
>
> Any dev opinions on how this would handle Gauntlet Legends, Gradius IV, Blitz; the
> usual heavy hitters?

My dev opinion is that it should be similar to how previous i7s at a similar clock were, maybe a little less due to the smaller cache. But nobody's actually done any benchmarks with one yet.



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Re: i3 8350k for MAME new [Re: Dante82]
#373537 - 01/30/18 03:57 AM


> Hey guys...the new i3's are quad core and run at a baseline frequency of 4.0 ghz and
> people are easily getting them close to 5 ghz. The price is only $160.00
>
> Any dev opinions on how this would handle Gauntlet Legends, Gradius IV, Blitz; the
> usual heavy hitters?

Oh, so you're enough of a masochist to play Gradius IV? Isn't Gradius III already enough for you? [/joking]



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Re: i3 8350k for MAME new [Re: Dante82]
#373546 - 01/30/18 03:24 PM


Ok so it sounds like I should be good then. This is going to be the last time for quite a few years I'm going to be upgrading my cab CPU as I simply don't have the time to dedicate to this hobby anymore so I want it to be something Worthwhile but not break the bank too terribly at the same time.

Thanks for the replies!



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Re: i3 8350k for MAME new [Re: Dante82]
#374112 - 02/24/18 02:52 PM


I just bought the 8600k last week to replace my old 2500k that I bought back in 2011. I wanted the 8700k at first but it was nearly $200 more just for hyperthreading (in canadian dollars)

I'm pretty sure that 8350k should be more than enough to run any mame games.

Even my old 2500k at 4.5ghz could run Gradius 4 or Gauntlet at full speed.

I haven't tested much my new cpu so far but it should be 2-3 times faster at the same clock speed. First thing I notice is my old cpu ran at 70celcius while this one runs at 35-40 celcius.... it's a lot cooler.



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Re: i3 8350k for MAME new [Re: kevenz]
#374117 - 02/25/18 07:53 AM


> I just bought the 8600k last week to replace my old 2500k that I bought back in 2011.
> I wanted the 8700k at first but it was nearly $200 more just for hyperthreading (in
> canadian dollars)
>
> I'm pretty sure that 8350k should be more than enough to run any mame games.
>
> Even my old 2500k at 4.5ghz could run Gradius 4 or Gauntlet at full speed.
>
> I haven't tested much my new cpu so far but it should be 2-3 times faster at the same
> clock speed. First thing I notice is my old cpu ran at 70celcius while this one runs
> at 35-40 celcius.... it's a lot cooler.

I actually overkilled and went with the 8700k. I wanted something that would be future proof for quite a few years. I haven’t tested any heavy hitters yet, but I’m assuming I should have no problem with the mentioned titles, even without overclocking.



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Re: i3 8350k for MAME new [Re: Dante82]
#374145 - 02/26/18 03:52 PM


I've overclocked my 8600k to 4.5ghz with air cooling and i'm at 40-45 celcius with normal windows usage.... and around 50-52 celcius when running games.

so far so good.



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Re: i3 8350k for MAME new [Re: kevenz]
#374196 - 02/27/18 10:09 PM


> I haven't tested much my new cpu so far but it should be 2-3 times faster at the same
> clock speed. First thing I notice is my old cpu ran at 70celcius while this one runs
> at 35-40 celcius.... it's a lot cooler.

Yeah, for me the big reason to upgrade from an overclocked 2500 or 2600 was that you get the same performance or better and it's not heating your room and running up your electric bill.


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