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AL Voter Fraud?
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Re: AL Voter Fraud? new [Re: Tomu Breidah]
#371969 - 12/16/17 03:10 PM


Voter fraud has already been debunked.



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Re: AL Voter Fraud? new [Re: Tomu Breidah]
#371976 - 12/17/17 12:35 AM




The voting numbers and margin results of actual eligible AL voters is far numerous that no way can voter fraud numbers change the outcome of the election result.

And while there is voting fraud, it is minimal compared to election fraud (another criminal offense itself). Election fraud is possible when electronic voting systems can be hacked or intentionally making it harder for citizens to go to polling places that are out-of-reach, and making it harder for states residents to get a valid state ID card in case their own drivers license is no longer valid.

These are the voter suppression tactics that are almost always done (99%) by GOP officials that are in charge of votes when an election takes place.



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Re: AL Voter Fraud? new [Re: gregf]
#371982 - 12/17/17 05:25 AM


> The voting numbers and margin results of actual eligible AL voters is far numerous
> that no way can voter fraud numbers change the outcome of the election result.
>
> And while there is voting fraud, it is minimal compared to election fraud (another
> criminal offense itself). Election fraud is possible when electronic voting systems
> can be hacked or intentionally making it harder for citizens to go to polling places
> that are out-of-reach, and making it harder for states residents to get a valid state
> ID card in case their own drivers license is no longer valid.
>
> These are the voter suppression tactics that are almost always done (99%) by GOP
> officials that are in charge of votes when an election takes place.


Re: Voter ID (Fraud Prevention) Laws... There is the argument that you have things like Absentee Voting, and votes sent in overseas (i.e. troops in "occupied territories"), ...And veterans are more likely to vote Republican, but anyway... The idea is that an I.D. isn't required for those types of votes, so why are they required when someone is there in person? The argument was made by a judge I think it was, from back in the Reagan days... And, he does make some good points. But, to me, one could also make the same argument that someone doesn't need auto insurance... Just because they've never been in an accident. Or maybe that's a bad comparison.

Here it is...

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-why-voter-id-laws-are-evil-20141013-column.html



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Re: AL Voter Fraud? new [Re: Tomu Breidah]
#371984 - 12/17/17 06:46 AM




>Re: Voter ID (Fraud Prevention) Laws... There is the argument that you have things like
>Absentee Voting, and votes sent in overseas (i.e. troops in "occupied territories"), ...And
>veterans are more likely to vote Republican, but anyway... The idea is that an I.D. isn't
>required for those types of votes, so why are they required when someone is there in
>person? The argument was made by a judge I think it was, from back in the Reagan days...
>And, he does make some good points.

As for ID forms when voting in person:

If voting in person, the person should be bringing their voting form mailed pamplet in case they received one in the mail to their instructed voting poll location which should be printed on the mailed paperwork.

Then drivers license or a valid state id card along with their mailed vote pamplet in case they still have pamplet even though it can be optional.

If the voter doesn't have an id card, then at least a bill (utility whatever it may be of) and the voting pamplet as last option.

And if voter has none, then at least fill out a provisional ballot if possible.


What has happened in primarily red/Republican states, is if a voter's drivers license is no longer valid, then they need a state issued id card.

What has happen over past 15 years after the Help America Vote Act passed in 2002, is many of the red states have made it intentionally next to impossible for various states residents to be able to visit an office and fill out an application for state id card. There have been several incidents where the applicant must have a valid birth certificate in order to fill out an application. Such examples: a resident born in Hawaii before Hawaii became part of the US...no birth certificate in those days. Other numerous examples.

If states are intentionally making it impossible for residents to get a license or state id such as Texas, Wisconsin etc these days.....then maybe state ID should still be optional until those various red states get their act together and make it possible for residents to get a license or state ID card.


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