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Sirius and Moon Beam, lost games from Cidelsa
#365363 - 04/22/17 09:43 PM
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Hi, we are covering two unknown titles from spanish company Cidelsa (Playmatic) at recreativas.org: Sirius and Moon Beam, both from 1981.
It seems both were cancelled games, and for now we hadn't found more info about them, no signs of press release or flyer for example. Anyway If someone can provide any info or image of these games, please contact us.
More info (spanish):
http://www.recreativas.org/noticias/2017/04/17/juegos-perdidos-cidelsa-moon-beam-y-sirius-121
Greetings!
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Re: Sirius and Moon Beam, lost games from Cidelsa
[Re: dave00]
#365370 - 04/23/17 02:27 AM
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>we are covering two unknown titles from spanish company Cidelsa (Playmatic) at
>recreativas.org: Sirius and Moon Beam, both from 1981.
>It seems both were cancelled games, and for now we hadn't found more info about them, no
>signs of press release or flyer for example. Anyway If someone can provide any info or
>image of these games, please contact us.
>More info (spanish):
http://www.recreativas.org/noticias/2017/04/17/juegos-perdidos-cidelsa-moon-beam-y-sirius-121
I will guess that if search can be extended to resources within both Portugal and south France regions (if haven't done that yet), odds might improve of finding articles or maybe a flyer print of the Cidelsa games. Have been fortunate that some finds that were considered not possible years earlier did finally happen. One example that comes to mind is Planet Probe because only a couple users remembered that game from many years earlier and there were no articles of flyers advertising Planet Probe.
Good luck with search for the Cidelsa games.
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Re: Sirius and Moon Beam, lost games from Cidelsa
[Re: gregf]
#365379 - 04/23/17 07:52 AM
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> I will guess that if search can be extended to resources within both Portugal and
> south France regions (if haven't done that yet), odds might improve of finding
> articles or maybe a flyer print of the Cidelsa games. Have been fortunate that some
> finds that were considered not possible years earlier did finally happen. One example
> that comes to mind is Planet Probe because only a couple users remembered that game
> from many years earlier and there were no articles of flyers advertising Planet
> Probe.
>
> Good luck with search for the Cidelsa games.
I did some poking around in our email archives but couldn't find any additional information about these game titles or any other Cidelsa games other than the ones supported by MAME.
Google wasn't very helpful either.
It's possible they were game names registered and trademarked by Cidelsa that were never actually produced.
As for Planet Probe, in the years since its being added to MAME, a flyer was posted to Twitter and I archived it at the Planet Probe page at Undumped wiki. Not Flyer Fever quality scan, but it's something. https://mamedev.emulab.it/undumped/index.php?title=Planet_Probe
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Re: Sirius and Moon Beam, lost games from Cidelsa
[Re: Stiletto]
#365381 - 04/23/17 08:05 AM
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>As for Planet Probe, in the years since its being added to MAME, a flyer was posted to
>Twitter and I archived it at the Planet Probe page at Undumped wiki. Not Flyer Fever
>quality scan, but it's something. https://mamedev.emulab.it/undumped/index.php?title=Planet_Probe
I missed that and was guessing there was no flyer ever printed. Definitely another flyer target on Dan's want list.
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Re: Sirius and Moon Beam, lost games from Cidelsa
[Re: dave00]
#365383 - 04/23/17 09:09 AM
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> Hi, we are covering two unknown titles from spanish company Cidelsa (Playmatic) at
> recreativas.org: Sirius and Moon Beam, both from 1981.
>
> It seems both were cancelled games, and for now we hadn't found more info about them,
> no signs of press release or flyer for example. Anyway If someone can provide any
> info or image of these games, please contact us.
>
> More info (spanish):
> http://www.recreativas.org/noticias/2017/04/17/juegos-perdidos-cidelsa-moon-beam-y-sirius-121
>
> Greetings!
Slightly unrelated but did you guys change something on your server? I'm finally able to see your site.
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have a better one, dont ask me where it came from 
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Re: Sirius and Moon Beam, lost games from Cidelsa
[Re: wolf676]
#365406 - 04/24/17 05:51 PM
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>have a better one
Thanks. At least (Dan 'Flyer Fever') will know what to search for in case he tries to find a flyer for that game. The next Flyer Fever update will be pretty good imo because some of the flyers might provide an answer or two regarding questions about some of the early to mid 1970s era arcade games.
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Re: Sirius and Moon Beam, lost games from Cidelsa
[Re: Stiletto]
#365419 - 04/25/17 03:18 AM
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> > I will guess that if search can be extended to resources within both Portugal and
> > south France regions (if haven't done that yet), odds might improve of finding
> > articles or maybe a flyer print of the Cidelsa games. Have been fortunate that some
> > finds that were considered not possible years earlier did finally happen. One
> example
> > that comes to mind is Planet Probe because only a couple users remembered that game
> > from many years earlier and there were no articles of flyers advertising Planet
> > Probe.
> >
> > Good luck with search for the Cidelsa games.
>
> I did some poking around in our email archives but couldn't find any additional
> information about these game titles or any other Cidelsa games other than the ones
> supported by MAME.
>
> Google wasn't very helpful either.
>
> It's possible they were game names registered and trademarked by Cidelsa that were
> never actually produced.
>
A designer from EFO (who designed the games for Cidelsa-Playmatic) I contacted a few years ago told me that not all games they designed were finally launched, I asked him back then for titles but he didn't remember. He said they had machines in their office for testing but also they put the games in a bar near them for 'public testing', to see the reaction and acceptance (or not) of a game.
The registers we found were authorizations to a specific game machine could be commercialized and so installed at public places by operators, and it seems were a necessary requirement even if they wanted to test the game at a public location. So if possible games were developed but sadly even in this case, if they were cancelled it very possible the games were lost forever. However I'm continue to try to find any info about these games.
Greetings!
Edited by dave00 (04/25/17 03:19 AM)
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Re: Sirius and Moon Beam, lost games from Cidelsa
[Re: wolf676]
#365436 - 04/26/17 03:24 PM
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That looks like a poster for Try, the PCB shop and I think they also have an arcade attached.
http://www.try-inc.co.jp/
They probably got the PCB at some point? I think that poster has their older logo. I'm not positive.
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Re: Sirius and Moon Beam, lost games from Cidelsa
[Re: Smitdogg]
#365440 - 04/26/17 03:56 PM
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Re: Sirius and Moon Beam, lost games from Cidelsa
[Re: Stiletto]
#365441 - 04/26/17 04:09 PM
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> > That looks like a poster for Try, the PCB shop and I think they also have an arcade
> > attached.
> >
> > http://www.try-inc.co.jp/
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> > They probably got the PCB at some point? I think that poster has their older logo.
> > I'm not positive.
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> "TRY Corporation" is the name of the company credited with making the game.
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> Trademark info: http://www.trademarkia.com/planet-probe-73509055.html
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> Unfortunately, there's no game manufacturer on the title screen. The MAMEdevs who
> worked on the driver (mainly Haze) guessed that it might be the same developers
> behind Crux / Orca / Kyugo games based on hiscore table, Gyrodine pinout, clocks etc.
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> More discussion on TRY Corporation re: Planet Probe (which mostly distills down to
> the trademark database entry):
> http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=297634
> http://gdri.smspower.org/wiki/index.php/Blog:Planet_Probe_%28AC%29
> http://gdri.blogspot.com/2011/01/planet-probe-ac.html
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> The following magazine also linked "TRY" and "Planet Probe"
> (プラネット・プローブ:
> http://s-sasaji.ddo.jp/bm/bm198504.htm
> A scan of the pages in which it's mentioned would be great.
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> Also, according to ShimaPong (in the comments at Haze's blog:
> https://mamedev.emulab.it/haze/2012/11/06/italy-gets-a-planet-probe-part-1/),
> according to the VGL (Ultimate Video Game List) published by A.M.P. Group, this game
> is listed on "Unreleased" game page and the manufacturer is listed as "TRY".
>
> - Stiletto
although all of that could just come back down to 'TRY' being listed on that flyer..
TRY might have been the distributor? From a code / presentation point of view it has all the hallmarks of the Crux / Orca / Kyugo stuff tho, much like when Rolling Crush showed up it was obviously a Semicom game, despite the version at the time hiding all references to Semicom (except in the end credits)
what we have is probably a bootleg, as the copyright string is blanked in the rom, it's still drawn but every character has been replaced by a blank space, very likely somebody copied it when it was out for testing and ended up putting it on another PCB. I'd say we got lucky based on hardware reuse and somebody being very naughty back in the day.
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Re: Sirius and Moon Beam, lost games from Cidelsa
[Re: Haze]
#365443 - 04/26/17 04:20 PM
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Shoutime could probably find out the company history but it could be both, where they really did make it / have it made and it's the same company as the shop/arcade. I think "Excellent" (now "Happy Manor") http://www.excellentcom.net/ is a similar situation where they made a few games in the 90s or had someone make them and put their name on it. But I'm not positive that was the same Excellent.
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Re: Sirius and Moon Beam, lost games from Cidelsa
[Re: Haze]
#365446 - 04/26/17 04:30 PM
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> although all of that could just come back down to 'TRY' being listed on that flyer..
Not really, Internet trademark databases pull information only from their nation/region's trademark registration offices, not from random flyers found on the Internet. 
> TRY might have been the distributor?
Taking the trademark database entry into consideration, that's possible.
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Re: Sirius and Moon Beam, lost games from Cidelsa
[Re: Smitdogg]
#365447 - 04/26/17 04:31 PM
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> Shoutime could probably find out the company history but it could be both, where they
> really did make it / have it made and it's the same company as the shop/arcade. I
> think "Excellent" (now "Happy Manor") http://www.excellentcom.net/ is a similar
> situation where they made a few games in the 90s or had someone make them and put
> their name on it. But I'm not positive that was the same Excellent.
I find some of the information even ShouTime uncovers to be questionable to be honest. Unless you can track down the actual programmers and they can remember exactly who they were working for at the time it's still unclear.
He's good with Japanese connections, however quite often I think what we end up with is 'the general consensus from Japan' which may indicate the truth, but is still some steps short of solid facts.
The Atlus connection on that game I just did the emulation for is another weird one. NTC on the PCB, NMK chips etc. no copyright, but apparently Atlus, not named anywhere were involved?
My line of thought is then 'Could it be they provided the cabinets / published it?'
NTC is a very strange name to have on the PCBs if they weren't involved in publishing tho. NTC more typically worked with Dooyong, although there was some NMK/Dooyong connection with Gun Dealer and Atlus did also publish some Dooyong games.
The NTC connection makes me wonder if Dooyong were somehow involved here (could even explain the lack of credit, Korean companies had a poor reputation in Japan) but it still seems unusual to have the name of one publisher on the PCB (NTC) and then attribute credit to another company that also mainly acted as a publisher / hardware supplier (Atlus)
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