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Re: Unknown Pong clone in bootleg blue...
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#337200 - 02/25/15 03:45 PM
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Okay...so I see two slide switches on pcb which I will guess first one is for the winning score. Does 11 and 15 appear next to one of the slide switches?
The second slide switch could be for operator to set pong/ball speed to either fast speed or slow speed. That is what is available for Chicago Coin's TV Ping Pong pcb.
imo this is why I consider some of the pong pcbs that have additional features such as these could be considered second generation arcade pong systems.
I am note sure yet of what company marketed that pcb you have in the photos. If it was Chicago Coin or Mirco, there should be something printed on pcb. Likely marketed by a company even smaller than Mirco imo, but not sure yet of which company. There could be something on Dan's site or also on TAFA.
Anyway, if that is also your pcb, another good find there.
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Re: Unknown Pong clone in bootleg blue...
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#337220 - 02/26/15 12:29 AM
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> I am note sure yet of what company marketed that pcb you have in the photos. If it
> was Chicago Coin or Mirco, there should be something printed on pcb. Likely marketed
> by a company even smaller than Mirco imo, but not sure yet of which company. There
> could be something on Dan's site or also on TAFA.
Went through my PCB photo collection, and Chicago Coin's TV Hockey is an exact match, aside from the PCB color. Switch placement is identical. No other Pong clone PCB photo I have looks identical. So it's either an original or a clone.
http://discrete.mameworld.info/Rough/Rough.htm
Manufacturers with that blue PCB in my collection include:
Pele Soccer (unknown mfg.)
Play Time (Midway)
Video Five (United Games)
Trapshoot (Gremlin)
and some Sega and Atari discrete games look damn close to this shade blue...
[EDIT] Might be the same PCB, but the photo is gone... "Rev A"...
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=129046
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Edited by Stiletto (02/26/15 12:31 AM)
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Re: Unknown Pong clone in bootleg blue...
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#337226 - 02/26/15 01:37 AM
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Fever was doing all the updates himself so I don't know where Sean F. E. (ie: Fever) picked up the pcb photos, but the photos do not match what is printed in the Chicago Coin parts catalogs.
TV Ping Pong by Chicago Coin 1973 description is a mistake by Fever.
(Chicago Coin TV Ping Pong board has two slide switches).
And Olympic TV Hockey/Olympic TV Football (pcb diagram in manual has 3 slide switches side-by-side). The parts catalog does not indicate what the slide switches do.
TV Hockey by Chicago Coin 1973
>and Chicago Coin's TV Hockey is an exact match, aside from the PCB color. Switch
>placement is identical. No other Pong clone PCB photo I have looks identical. So it's
>either an original or a clone.
I agree, but too bad that wherever Fever got the information years earlier when doing updates, that the information was not correct, but that is all Fever could go by at the time. The name could be TV Hockey, but it is not anything of a Chicago Coin product. If what was written on pcb is correct, of the photo Fever placed for TV Hockey, maybe it is a Amutronics product instead of Chicago Coin. I am not sure, but can say that what Fever used for description way back then is not correct.
> [EDIT] Might be the same PCB, but the photo is gone... "Rev A"...
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=129046
The pcb seller also said the pcb he was selling also had TC on it.
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Re: Unknown Pong clone in bootleg blue...
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#337230 - 02/26/15 03:26 AM
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> Fever was doing all the updates himself so I don't know where Sean F. E. (ie: Fever)
> picked up the pcb photos, but the photos do not match what is printed in the Chicago
> Coin parts catalogs.
Thanks gregf! If there are any more errors like these, please let me know before I come to rely on them.
I think it likely the PCB photos came from eBay.
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Re: Unknown Pong clone in bootleg blue...
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#337239 - 02/26/15 07:01 AM
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> Okay...so I see two slide switches on pcb which I will guess first one is for the
> winning score. Does 11 and 15 appear next to one of the slide switches?
Yes, 11 -- 15 by the upper left switch.
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> The second slide switch could be for operator to set pong/ball speed to either fast
> speed or slow speed. That is what is available for Chicago Coin's TV Ping Pong pcb.
Second switch, the one on the right, says S -- T.
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> imo this is why I consider some of the pong pcbs that have additional features such
> as these could be considered second generation arcade pong systems.
Yes, there are definitely several more TTL chips on this board compared to my Rally board which had 2 more chips than a standard Pong.
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> I am note sure yet of what company marketed that pcb you have in the photos. If it
> was Chicago Coin or Mirco, there should be something printed on pcb. Likely marketed
> by a company even smaller than Mirco imo, but not sure yet of which company. There
> could be something on Dan's site or also on TAFA.
On the front, "REV A" appears in the upper left corner and a faint "BENCH TEST" stamp appears on the upper right heat sink area.
On the back, "EC-715" appears in the upper right corner.
The only other markings are the component designations. Also, there is no A,B,C... 1,2,3... markings for the rows and columns. Instead, each IC has just a number, 1 through 91. Most of the chips are date coded from 1973 with a few marked for 1972.
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> Anyway, if that is also your pcb, another good find there.
Yes, both Pong boards and the two smaller boards I posted for $49.99 and no S/H!
At the very least, I'd like to figure out power and video out connections and see if these boards work! I'll post results if any.
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Re: Unknown Pong clone in bootleg blue...
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#337253 - 02/26/15 12:12 PM
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>>Fever was doing all the updates himself so I don't know where Sean F. E. (ie: Fever)
>>picked up the pcb photos,
>I think it likely the PCB photos came from eBay.
I agree about those pcb photos. I am pretty sure those two pcb photos were not ones I had sent to Fever in the past. I would usually find photos of an entire working cab when sending photos to Fever back in the days.
>>but the photos do not match what is printed in the Chicago Coin parts catalogs.
>Thanks gregf! If there are any more errors like these, please let me know before I come
>to rely on them.
iirc I had completed getting all the Chicago Coin video game parts catalogs around mid 2011 after Fever had left 2 or 3 years earlier. Some of those photos from the rough page had escaped me since I forgot about them until you mentioned them. And at least I now have reference from Chicago Coin parts catalogs. So that leaves those two pcbs in rough page section back to being unknown pcbs for time being.
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Re: Unknown Pong clone in bootleg blue... *edit*
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#337254 - 02/26/15 12:24 PM
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>>Okay...so I see two slide switches on pcb which I will guess first one is for the
>>winning score. Does 11 and 15 appear next to one of the slide switches?
>Yes, 11 -- 15 by the upper left switch.
>>The second slide switch could be for operator to set pong/ball speed to either fast
>>speed or slow speed. That is what is available for Chicago Coin's TV Ping Pong pcb.
>Second switch, the one on the right, says S -- T.
I wonder if that switch is operator selection for game to be soccer or tennis. If it is for some other option, I am not sure what it would be for.
>>I am note sure yet of what company marketed that pcb you have in the photos. If it
>>was Chicago Coin or Mirco, there should be something printed on pcb. Likely marketed
>>by a company even smaller than Mirco imo, but not sure yet of which company. There
>>could be something on Dan's site or also on TAFA.
>On the front, "REV A" appears in the upper left corner and a faint "BENCH TEST" stamp
>appears on the upper right heat sink area.
>On the back, "EC-715" appears in the upper right corner.
>The only other markings are the component designations. Also, there is no A,B,C...
>1,2,3... markings for the rows and columns. Instead, each IC has just a number, 1
>through 91. Most of the chips are date coded from 1973 with a few marked for 1972.
That is the same manner that Amutronics has printed in the logic schematics for TV Ping Pong which is a dedicated two-player only pong clone. I don't have any paperwork that matches this particular pcb to help identify what game the pcb is for.
Edited by gregf (03/06/15 10:04 PM)
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Re: Unknown Pong clone in bootleg blue...
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#337444 - 03/04/15 09:18 PM
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> >>Okay...so I see two slide switches on pcb which I will guess first one is for the
> >>winning score. Does 11 and 15 appear next to one of the slide switches?
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> > Yes, 11 -- 15 by the upper left switch.
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> >>The second slide switch could be for operator to set pong/ball speed to either fast
> >>speed or slow speed. That is what is available for Chicago Coin's TV Ping Pong pcb.
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> > Second switch, the one on the right, says S -- T.
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> I wonder if that switch is operator selection for game to be soccer or tennis. If it
> is for some other option, I am not sure what it would be for.
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> >>I am note sure yet of what company marketed that pcb you have in the photos. If it
> >>was Chicago Coin or Mirco, there should be something printed on pcb. Likely
> marketed
> >>by a company even smaller than Mirco imo, but not sure yet of which company. There
> >>could be something on Dan's site or also on TAFA.
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> > On the front, "REV A" appears in the upper left corner and a faint "BENCH TEST"
> stamp
> > appears on the upper right heat sink area.
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> > On the back, "EC-715" appears in the upper right corner.
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> > The only other markings are the component designations. Also, there is no A,B,C...
> > 1,2,3... markings for the rows and columns. Instead, each IC has just a number, 1
> > through 91. Most of the chips are date coded from 1973 with a few marked for 1972.
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> That is the same manner that Amutronics has printed in the logic schematics for
> their pong clone not their tv hockey game, but their other game. I don't know if I
> have any paperwork that matches this particular pcb though. I will check later, but I
> don't believe I have anything to help out with this pcb.
On the mailing list, SlyDC does not recognize the photo Fever identified as Chicago Coin TV Hockey, but instead as Amutronics TV Hockey.
So I guess evidence is pointing in that direction.
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Re: Unknown Pong clone in bootleg blue...
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#337505 - 03/06/15 10:20 PM
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>>>Okay...so I see two slide switches on pcb which I will guess first one is for the
>>>winning score. Does 11 and 15 appear next to one of the slide switches?
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> > Yes, 11 -- 15 by the upper left switch.
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> >>The second slide switch could be for operator to set pong/ball speed to either fast
> >>speed or slow speed. That is what is available for Chicago Coin's TV Ping Pong pcb.
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> > Second switch, the one on the right, says S -- T.
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> I wonder if that switch is operator selection for game to be soccer or tennis. If it
> is for some other option, I am not sure what it would be for.
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>> On the front, "REV A" appears in the upper left corner
>SlyDC does not recognize the photo Fever identified as Chicago Coin TV Hockey, but
>instead as Amutronics TV Hockey. So I guess evidence is pointing in that direction.
I examined the logic schematics of Amutronics TV Ping Pong and schematics indicate of having a SWA (slide switch A?) with option 11 and 15 and also a SWB (slide switch B?) also with option 11 and 15.
I don't know if that is a misprint in the logic schematics Rev. A sheet, but that is what the sheet has printed. I am not sure what the "Second switch, the one on the right, says S -- T" does because it is not on schematics for Amutronics TV Ping Pong. So it does likely go to Amutronics TV Hockey or maybe something else not yet verified.
The Amutronics TV Ping Pong schematics have a Rev. A printed because it appears Amutronics updated the pong clone to have altered circuitry to have "side walls" drawn on the tv monitor as schematics describe. The authors probably meant "side walls" being the top/bottom boundary walls being drawn since that was a feature supported in later pong clone games.
So this could mean emulation of both Amutronics TV Ping Pong and also Rev. A of Amutronics TV Ping Pong since the updates are also printed on Amutronics TV Ping Pong logic schematics.....that is if anyone really wants to cover emulating both versions.
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