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The Iron Goat
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JT-104?
#334000 - 10/30/14 12:50 PM


...Also known as Ninja Kid II, Rad Action, and Ninja-Kun Ashura No Shou. For many years, I assumed JT-104 (which I used to play at a local supermarket back in the 80s), was a bootleg, based on the odd name. However, all the info I can find about it seems to indicate that it was UPL's official US release of this game. Oddly enough, it's not in MAME, while all of the other regional variants are. Does a dump not exist, or is it just a minor hack/bootleg after all, and not worth adding? I've been curious about this for a while.



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Re: JT-104? new [Re: The Iron Goat]
#334005 - 10/30/14 02:25 PM


> ...Also known as Ninja Kid II, Rad Action, and Ninja-Kun Ashura No Shou. For many
> years, I assumed JT-104 (which I used to play at a local supermarket back in the
> 80s), was a bootleg, based on the odd name. However, all the info I can find about it
> seems to indicate that it was UPL's official US release of this game. Oddly enough,
> it's not in MAME, while all of the other regional variants are. Does a dump not
> exist, or is it just a minor hack/bootleg after all, and not worth adding? I've been
> curious about this for a while.

The only discussion I can see amongst our group regarding JT-104 ever is that Haze thought it was a bootleg. And most likely it is indeed merely a title screen difference only.

However, Internet evidence seems to lead to its being official. We'll look more into this, thanks.

[EDIT] It seems that the game is dumped and in MAME, it's just that this alternate title screen is not selected by default, and the metadata that MAME exposes does not list this as an alternate title option.

- Stiletto

Edited by Stiletto (10/30/14 03:00 PM)



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Re: JT-104? new [Re: Stiletto]
#334019 - 10/30/14 08:04 PM



>The only discussion I can see amongst our group regarding JT-104 ever is that Haze
>thought it was a bootleg. And most likely it is indeed merely a title screen difference
>only. However, Internet evidence seems to lead to its being official.

>[EDIT] It seems that the game is dumped and in MAME, it's just that this alternate title
>screen is not selected by default, and the metadata that MAME exposes does not list
>this as an alternate title option.
==


I forgot I still had the old message [now deleted] asking you about that when I had seen an operator's guide manual listed on ebay in late 2009 that had the JT-104 title printed on the front cover. Good to see it somewhat resolved at this time.


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10/31/09 05:02 AM
Re: anything known about JT-104 game?
From: Stiletto

Looks like Rad Action / Ninja Kid. New one on me, though.
http://www.google.com/search?q=JT-104+upl
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Re: JT-104? new [Re: gregf]
#334025 - 10/30/14 09:37 PM Attachment: JT-104.PNG 283 KB (0 downloads)


> I forgot I still had the old message [now deleted] asking you about that when I had
> seen an operator's guide manual listed on ebay in late 2009 that had the JT-104 title
> printed on the front cover.

There's one on ebay now:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/JT-104-arcade-video-game-manual-ww-/161445333975

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Re: JT-104 manual new [Re: Trebor]
#334026 - 10/30/14 09:49 PM



>> I forgot I still had the old message [now deleted] asking you about that when I had
>> seen an operator's guide manual listed on ebay in late 2009 that had the JT-104 title
>> printed on the front cover.

>There's one on ebay now:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/JT-104-arcade-video-game-manual-ww-/161445333975


That's what I recall seeing what it looked like when coming across that for first time years earlier. I asked Stiletto about it back then in 2009 because I never heard of that game name before.



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Re: JT-104? new [Re: gregf]
#334030 - 10/30/14 11:02 PM


Okay, I was wrong again. The title JT-104 is added by an alternative graphics ROM and not included in the original MAME set.

> I forgot I still had the old message [now deleted] asking you about that when I had
> seen an operator's guide manual listed on ebay in late 2009 that had the JT-104 title
> printed on the front cover. Good to see it somewhat resolved at this time.

Forgotten about that!

Anyhow, I asked around about this today and the answer was a MAME addition:
1. https://github.com/mamedev/mame/commit/924bd635f8deaa285c0dd290f917349560954118
2. https://github.com/mamedev/mame/commit/af4f742588a9cba3d80854454aeca6f933fb07ef
It's still being tweaked. Current suspicion is that it is not an authentic alternative title but a namechange invented by "United Amusements, Inc.". Thanks to Haze.

More info to come.

- Stiletto



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Re: JT-104? new [Re: Stiletto]
#334077 - 11/01/14 12:15 AM


Weird that Ninja Kid was after Ninja Kid II.....


http://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=8893

http://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=8886



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Re: JT-104? new [Re: Traso]
#334081 - 11/01/14 02:51 AM


> Weird that Ninja Kid was after Ninja Kid II.....
>
>
> http://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=8893
>
> http://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=8886

HAHAHAHA KLOV is so often wrong it's not funny. I'd like to help make it not suck, but I don't really have the time these days, maybe later. I'm not actually sure to what game they are referring by "Ninja Kid" (1990) but perhaps we can say that they got the year wrong. Perhaps they are confusing it with Taito's "The Ninja Kids" (1991).

As always, do not rely on one info source.

Try Arcade-History's take on things, for example. The first Ninja Kid is actually Ninjakun Majou no Bouken on UPL's 1984-era "orthogonal palette" hardware.
http://www.arcade-history.com/?n=ninja-kun-majou-no-bouken-model-84003a&page=detail&id=1789
http://www.arcade-history.com/?n=rad-action&page=detail&id=2152
http://www.arcade-history.com/?n=ninja-kid-ii&page=detail&id=1788

Wikipedia is, even, better than KLOV in this case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninja-Kid

- Stiletto


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