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Does MAME still have a "no gamblers" policy?
#325809 - 05/11/14 04:14 AM
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I was in Vegas not too long ago and saw some cool gambling machines that would be nice to see in MAME some day. There was a Ghost Busters one that wasn't just all video clips from the movie. And there were lots of big titty babe gamblers with HD video too.
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Re: Does MAME still have a "no gamblers" policy?
[Re: mike20599]
#325811 - 05/11/14 05:26 AM
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The "no gamblers" rule was dropped years ago - it was kind of pointless anyway since a number of mahjong games still in MAME were gamblers anyway (hence the word [BET] in the description).
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Re: Does MAME still have a "no gamblers" policy?
[Re: mike20599]
#325815 - 05/11/14 06:16 AM
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> I was in Vegas not too long ago and saw some cool gambling machines that would be
> nice to see in MAME some day. There was a Ghost Busters one that wasn't just all
> video clips from the movie. And there were lots of big titty babe gamblers with HD
> video too.
No, they wouldn't be nice to see in MAME.
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Re: Does MAME still have a "no gamblers" policy?
[Re: mike20599]
#325821 - 05/11/14 07:43 AM
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> And there were lots of big titty babe gamblers with HD
> video too.
Those should totally be added so that everyone can stop spanking it to the hidden topless chick in the Sarge GFX ROMs.
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Re: Does MAME still have a "no gamblers" policy?
[Re: mike20599]
#325847 - 05/11/14 09:17 PM
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As already mentioned, that policy was done away with back in 2005 when Aaron Giles took over and was in charge at the time.
>and saw some cool gambling machines that would be nice to see in MAME some day. There
>was a Ghost Busters one that wasn't just all video clips from the movie. And there were
>lots of big titty babe gamblers with HD video too.
Better cross fingers someone is collecting those for future preservation because it might be a long time before some of that hardware can be emulated (if ever possible).
And for gambling stuff it might have to be held out longer in case the products are still earning lots of money in casinos.
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Re: Does MAME still have a "no gamblers" policy?
[Re: gregf]
#325857 - 05/12/14 08:51 AM
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It would be interesting to see what kind of settings these gambling machines have to rip people off.
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Re: Does MAME still have a "no gamblers" policy?
[Re: mike20599]
#325858 - 05/12/14 09:55 AM
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Pretty much all jurisdictions (even Vegas) have regulations designed to set the minimum payout rates of these machines (i.e. for every x amount put into the machine, y amount must be paid out). No casino is going to risk their license by breaking the rules. (online gambling shops operating from countries with no regulation on the other hand...)
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Re: Does MAME still have a "no gamblers" policy?
[Re: mike20599]
#325867 - 05/12/14 05:14 PM
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> I was in Vegas not too long ago and saw some cool gambling machines that would be
> nice to see in MAME some day. There was a Ghost Busters one that wasn't just all
> video clips from the movie. And there were lots of big titty babe gamblers with HD
> video too.
These are all welcome (there's some Japan-only Castlevania themed gambling machines I want to get my hands on - one has a full original soundtrack by Michiru Yamane), but in most jurisdictions they're required to be destroyed when taken out of service so dumps are pretty rare of anything "big name". We get lots of Eastern European card games and the like, but dumps of stuff you'd actually see in Vegas or Atlantic City basically don't exist.
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Re: Does MAME still have a "no gamblers" policy?
[Re: jonwil]
#325892 - 05/13/14 08:02 AM
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> Pretty much all jurisdictions (even Vegas) have regulations designed to set the
> minimum payout rates of these machines (i.e. for every x amount put into the machine,
> y amount must be paid out). No casino is going to risk their license by breaking the
> rules. (online gambling shops operating from countries with no regulation on the
> other hand...)
Yep, technically "indianmm" is/was illegal to operate in Australia without the link jackpot (as with most jackpot-based games, e.g. Cash Express), as it is below the minimum return to player of 87% (you'll find the RTP in the game code, 82.11% in this case; the progressive jackpot added roughly 5% to the total amount, making the game legal).
Also, the "y amount must be paid out" is entirely based on 1 occurrence of every single win combination possible, with the reel strips (including video-based machines) being "weighted" with multiple symbols of the same type to make a certain payout value, even if the paytable is identical between games or even the same ROM set (most Australian games have multiple variations which have better or worse symbols depending on the payout percentage).
Bonus wins (features, free games etc.) are part of the total return to player amount as well (e.g. Queen of the Nile would only have a 60% or so payout if it didn't give out 15 free games with everything x3 in the feature). Of course, with machines being entirely random for every spin, it is still possible to hit the exact same combination more than once and not hit other combinations in the lifetime of the machine (the "lifetime" being the theoretical 1-hit-of-every-position-in-each-reel - Queen of the Nile has 5 reels with 30, 30, 30, 30, and 44 symbols respectively, thus having 35640000 different reel combinations in total). Normally the double up game will not affect these machines, as their are a fair 50/50 chance, with the machine randomly picking between red or black, or the four card suits if it has the option (they don't cheat or deliberately make the game lose more often than win, at least in Australia).
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Re: Does MAME still have a "no gamblers" policy?
[Re: gregf]
#325948 - 05/15/14 01:20 PM
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> As already mentioned, that policy was done away with back in 2005 when Aaron Giles
> took over and was in charge at the time.
If it had still been in effect, I would have proposed a "titty exception clause".
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