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another photography question
#317946 - 11/27/13 05:32 PM


Ok, from what I gather, when people speak of "stops", they're generally talking about aperture. Now from the speedflash quick guide:

"add or subtract flash exposure from +3 to -3 stops in 0.3- stop increments."

What exactly is happening here? Is the flash unit overriding my aperture settings for exposure, or is it attempting to adjust the intensity of the flash itself? Or perhaps messing with the camera software white balance or something?

On another note... reading the quick guide made me realize that the 60D has a built-in remote for the flash so I could use it unattached! This thing seems more and more cool every time I play with it!

Problem is... I'm not sure why or how exactly I would use this function since it seems to be line of site and as far as I can tell, the sensor on the flash is on the front... seems silly to me

ohh! and edit 3: Can somebody explain what use there is for the extra plastic shield thing? I gather it disperses light, but for what purpose?

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Re: another photography question new [Re: URherenow]
#317949 - 11/27/13 07:16 PM


F-stop is a little more complex… in short it's the amount of light allowed in to the film.

Specifically for the camera it's the RATIO of the aperture's Diameter to the focal length to the film surface…

f-stop = f/D

So on a camera, the increments are set at factors of two, so every click either doubles or halves the amount of light with each click, usually by adjusting the aperture.

Stops for a flash are similar in that it increases the amount of light that will reach the film, so they are also measured in stops.

Make sense?







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Re: another photography question new [Re: URherenow]
#317955 - 11/27/13 10:16 PM


> Ok, from what I gather, when people speak of "stops", they're generally talking about
> aperture. Now from the speedflash quick guide:
>
> "add or subtract flash exposure from +3 to -3 stops in 0.3- stop increments."
>
> What exactly is happening here? Is the flash unit overriding my aperture settings for
> exposure, or is it attempting to adjust the intensity of the flash itself? Or perhaps
> messing with the camera software white balance or something?

You mustn’t be paying much attention. Exposure in general is delineated in stops, including shutter speed, aperture, ISO, EV compensation, filter loss, and flash power. 1 stop = half/double the exposure depending on the direction (halve/double shutter speed, multiply/divide f/ratio by square root of 2, halve/double ISO, whatever).

Flash power adjustment does just that - adjusts the flash power. Without getting technical, think of it as adjusting the balance between parts of the image illuminated by the flash and parts illuminated by ambient light.

> On another note... reading the quick guide made me realize that the 60D has a
> built-in remote for the flash so I could use it unattached! This thing seems more and
> more cool every time I play with it!
>
> Problem is... I'm not sure why or how exactly I would use this function since it
> seems to be line of site and as far as I can tell, the sensor on the flash is on the
> front... seems silly to me

It should pick up reflections, so as long as you point the remote flash unit at the subject it should work. It wouldn't be much use if you couldn't point it at the subject now, would it?

> ohh! and edit 3: Can somebody explain what use there is for the extra plastic shield
> thing? I gather it disperses light, but for what purpose?

Take some photos of relatively close subjects without the diffuser, then try with the diffuser. If you can't see why you'd want to use the diffuser after doing that, don't bother carrying it.



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Re: another photography question new [Re: URherenow]
#317957 - 11/27/13 11:41 PM


In all honesty, you're asking questions that are better answered by just playing with your kit. No explanation on the interwebz is going to prepare you to use this when it matters.

Mess with flash compensation in both directions on different subjects. Try it on food, humans, sculptures, mirrors, and other stuff. Try it in different lighting conditions. Try it with different subject/background distance ratios. Try it with wide and tele lenses. See what works for the sorts of photos you're taking.

Try using the remote flash. Hold the flash in your left hand and the camera in your right hand. Move the flash to different positions. Get your wife to hold it for you when you run out of reach. Once again, do this with different subjects, backgrounds and ambient lighting conditions.

Try shooting with the diffuser and without. See what it does indoors direct or bounced, or outdoors in sunlight or moonlight.

Why did you actually buy an external flash? What did you need if for, or want to achieve with it? That's far more important than the mechanics of using it. Judging by the direction your questions are coming from, I'm not really sure why you actually need a dedicated flash - you might not have outgrown the built-in flash yet.

The built-in flash works reasonably well, it has flash compensation adjustment available, and there's an optional diffuser available for it. You should probably work with the built-in flash, make the most of it, learn to use its settings, and when you come up against clear limitations, then think about how to use the dedicated flash to get past said limitations.

I'm not trying to dis you, I'm just worried you've bought it as a toy and aren't going to be able to make the the most of it as a tool with the approach you're taking.



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Re: another photography question new [Re: Matty_]
#317960 - 11/28/13 02:52 AM


no offense taken. And yes, it is more of a toy for me at the moment, but I've been able to take far better pictures than any other camera I've owned and I'm really excited about it. I picked up the external flash because I got it on sale, and I'm still not quite happy with my ability to get the exposure I want on night shots, while both avoiding motion blur, and having to set up a tripod. I figured I'd be able to take faster shots with the external flash than with the built-in one.

I'm also hours away from winning a bid on a slightly used 24-105 L lens for less than $500



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Re: another photography question new [Re: URherenow]
#317974 - 11/28/13 12:04 PM


> no offense taken. And yes, it is more of a toy for me at the moment, but I've been
> able to take far better pictures than any other camera I've owned and I'm really
> excited about it. I picked up the external flash because I got it on sale, and I'm
> still not quite happy with my ability to get the exposure I want on night shots,
> while both avoiding motion blur, and having to set up a tripod. I figured I'd be able
> to take faster shots with the external flash than with the built-in one.

The external flash gets you more power, but remember flash falls off with the square of subject distance. If you don’t want dark backgrounds in your night shots, you’ll need long exposures. There’s no way around that. Even if you got a massively powerful flash that could light up the background like day, you’d just end up overexposing the subject.

In general, for night shots the flash captures the subject in an instant and the background is filled in by ambient light over the rest of the exposure.

You can choose whether you want the flash to fire at the beginning or the end of the exposure (rear curtain sync). This is important for subjects with light sources, e.g. a car with its lights on. With rear curtain sync, the trails of light will appear behind the car's position, but in the default mode where the flash fires at the beginning of the exposure the trails will appear in front of the car's position.

Pointing a flash straight at something can cause ugly shadows, highlights and specular reflections. This is why the flash allows you to change its angle and bounce it off walls and ceilings. It makes pictures less harsh. The diffuser spreads the light out and softens shadows, especially when combined with bouncing the flash.

Remote flash lets you illuminate your subject from a different angle and put the shadows where you want them, to get more depth sense of depth than you can with a flash on the camera. I don’t know about Canon, but with Nikon you can have multiple remote flash groups fired at different power levels to get a huge variety of effects.

Adjusting flash value compensation controls how much contribution the flash makes versus ambient light. Since flash falls off rapidly with distance, it also kind of controls the balance between subject and background exposure. Positive values increase flash contribution, and increase subject exposure compared to the background. Negative value decrease flash contribution, and can effectively cause the background to look less dark relative to the subject.

You need to think about distance to the subject, ratio of distance to subject relative to background and relative brightness of background when setting flash compensation. For general fill flash at normal distances, -1 stop is often a decent value. You might need to increase it when bouncing the flash of walls, or if your subject is further away.

If you're shooting with flash in daylight, you might come up against "high speed FP sync". This is needed when you're using shutter speeds faster than your camera's maximum X sync speed (1/250s on the 60D). To do this, the flash needs to fire continuously for the whole time the shutter curtains are moving. You get a lot less effective flash power in this mode, so you may not be able to get as much effect as you want.

Anyway, get out there and use your flash! It's far more useful than theorising about it here. Also, if you decide to read Ken Rockwell’s opinions on fill flash, be aware that while a lot of his theory makes sense, his example photos are all bloody awful. Somehow, despite having a lot of experience, theory and gear, the guy manages to take a lot of bloody awful photos.

> I'm also hours away from winning a bid on a slightly used 24-105 L lens for less than
> $500

Sweet, that's a pretty good midrange zoom. It's decent for taking photos of people, and general walkabout stuff. It's one of those "if you're only going to be carrying one lens, take this one" sorts of lenses.



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Photo like a arsehole (nt) clownpockets_rback new [Re: URherenow]
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