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Strange issue running Mame 0149 with HLSL
#311661 - 07/19/13 05:43 PM
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Having trouble running Mame 0149 with HLSL. Here are my specs:
AMD Athlon II X2 215, 2.71 Ghz
4 GB of RAM
nVidia GeForce GT 210 PCI-Express video card
Windows XP Professional 64 bit
The games I'm testing this with are Ms. Pac and Donkey Kong.
I could run these on 0148 full speed with HLSL no sweat. On 0149, the framerate drops to about 65%. The weird thing is, if I turn off throttling, they run crazy fast as you'd expect them to, so the problem doesn't seem to be my specs. I am running stock Mame downloaded from mamedev.org btw, so that's not the issue either. Also, I get full speed on my main PC that has similar specs and a weaker video card - though I am running Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit on that machine.
I'm stumped.  It really seems like I just shouldn't be having this problem. Anyone want to guess what the issue might be?
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Re: Strange issue running Mame 0149 with HLSL
[Re: dustmite]
#311663 - 07/19/13 05:54 PM
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> I could run these on 0148 full speed with HLSL no sweat. On 0149, the framerate drops
> to about 65%. The weird thing is, if I turn off throttling, they run crazy fast as
> you'd expect them to, so the problem doesn't seem to be my specs. I am running stock
> Mame downloaded from mamedev.org btw, so that's not the issue either. Also, I get
> full speed on my main PC that has similar specs and a weaker video card - though I am
> running Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit on that machine.
Without your listing your HLSL settings we'd be engaged in psychic debugging, but one common cause of poor performance is turning the hlsl_prescale too high. If it's ever above 3 or 4 or so and you don't have a 4K monitor, you're doing it wrong 
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Re: Strange issue running Mame 0149 with HLSL
[Re: R. Belmont]
#311665 - 07/19/13 06:35 PM
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I'm just using the defaults, and it doesn't seem to matter where I set stuff, it's still slow. Here are my settings just to be sure.
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# DIRECT3D POST-PROCESSING OPTIONS
#
hlsl_enable 1
hlslpath hlsl
hlsl_ini_read 0
hlsl_ini_write 0
hlslini %g
hlsl_prescale_x 0
hlsl_prescale_y 0
hlsl_preset -1
hlsl_write
hlsl_snap_width 2048
hlsl_snap_height 1536
shadow_mask_alpha 0.0
shadow_mask_texture aperture.png
shadow_mask_x_count 320
shadow_mask_y_count 240
shadow_mask_usize 0.09375
shadow_mask_vsize 0.109375
curvature 0.03
pincushion 0.03
scanline_alpha 1.0
scanline_size 1.0
scanline_height 1.0
scanline_bright_scale 1.0
scanline_bright_offset 0.0
scanline_jitter 0.0
defocus 0.0,0.0
converge_x 0.3,0.0,-0.3
converge_y 0.0,0.3,-0.3
radial_converge_x 0.0,0.0,0.0
radial_converge_y 0.0,0.0,0.0
red_ratio 1.0,0.0,0.0
grn_ratio 0.0,1.0,0.0
blu_ratio 0.0,0.0,1.0
saturation 1.4
offset 0.0,0.0,0.0
scale 0.95,0.95,0.95
power 0.8,0.8,0.8
floor 0.05,0.05,0.05
phosphor_life 0.4,0.4,0.4
#
# NTSC POST-PROCESSING OPTIONS
#
yiq_enable 0
yiq_cc 3.59754545
yiq_a 0.5
yiq_b 0.5
yiq_o 0.0
yiq_p 1.0
yiq_n 1.0
yiq_y 6.0
yiq_i 1.2
yiq_q 0.6
yiq_scan_time 52.6
yiq_phase_count 2
#
# VECTOR POST-PROCESSING OPTIONS
#
vector_length_scale 0.8
vector_length_ratio 500.0
#
# BLOOM POST-PROCESSING OPTIONS
#
vector_bloom_scale 0.3
raster_bloom_scale 0.225
bloom_lvl0_weight 1.0
bloom_lvl1_weight 0.21
bloom_lvl2_weight 0.19
bloom_lvl3_weight 0.17
bloom_lvl4_weight 0.15
bloom_lvl5_weight 0.14
bloom_lvl6_weight 0.13
bloom_lvl7_weight 0.12
bloom_lvl8_weight 0.11
bloom_lvl9_weight 0.10
bloom_lvl10_weight 0.09
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Is there any reason that I would be able to get ridiculous speeds with the exact same settings and -nothrottle, when I can't even get 70% otherwise? That's what's so perplexing about this for me.:(
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Re: Strange issue running Mame 0149 with HLSL
[Re: dustmite]
#311666 - 07/19/13 06:52 PM
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HLSL GPU demands went up quite significantly with 149 and that Nvidia 210 is doing you no favours.
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Re: Strange issue running Mame 0149 with HLSL
[Re: dustmite]
#311668 - 07/19/13 09:40 PM
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> I'm just using the defaults, and it doesn't seem to matter where I set stuff, it's
> still slow. Here are my settings just to be sure.
> hlsl_prescale_x 0
> hlsl_prescale_y 0
Try setting both of these to 1 and see if that helps. (0 is "auto", which can be buggy sometimes).
> Is there any reason that I would be able to get ridiculous speeds with the exact same
> settings and -nothrottle, when I can't even get 70% otherwise? That's what's so
> perplexing about this for me.
Could you give more information about this? What speed does it show throttled vs. unthrottled?
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Re: Strange issue running Mame 0149 with HLSL
[Re: R. Belmont]
#311669 - 07/19/13 09:55 PM
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If buggy maybe make the default settings to 1 for both.
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Re: Strange issue running Mame 0149 with HLSL
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#311670 - 07/19/13 10:10 PM
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> If buggy maybe make the default settings to 1 for both.
Understandably he'd rather make the auto work correctly
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Re: Strange issue running Mame 0149 with HLSL
[Re: R. Belmont]
#311672 - 07/20/13 12:10 AM
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I tried setting those to 1 and it is so blurry looking like I need glasses. 
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Re: Strange issue running Mame 0149 with HLSL
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#311673 - 07/20/13 01:24 AM
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> I tried setting those to 1 and it is so blurry looking like I need glasses.
Which means nothing since you aren't the OP :P
Unless you were having perf problems before and setting to 1 fixed it.
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Re: Strange issue running Mame 0149 with HLSL
[Re: R. Belmont]
#311676 - 07/20/13 01:48 AM
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Thanks I didn't have any performance problems just wanted to try those settings.
Thanks for all the work you do for mame and mess.
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Re: Strange issue running Mame 0149 with HLSL
[Re: R. Belmont]
#311746 - 07/21/13 09:30 PM
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> Try setting both of these to 1 and see if that helps. (0 is "auto", which can be
> buggy sometimes).
Thank you Mr. Belmont! That was the problem. 1 is very blurry, but I set it to 2 and it looks good and I've got full speed now.
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