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How many games in mame run higher then 60 hertz?
#300974 - 12/19/12 07:44 PM
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Is there a list of games I can find in mame that show which ones run higher then 60 hertz? Example pacman (puckman) 60.606061 hz
Thanks
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Re: How many games in mame run higher then 60 hertz?
[Re: joey35car]
#300984 - 12/19/12 10:10 PM
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Re: How many games in mame run higher then 60 hertz?
[Re: CTOJAH]
#300986 - 12/19/12 10:23 PM
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Well got a 27 inch led hd monitor and stuck at 60 hertz refresh rate. I can lower my resolution screen and get 75 hertz but looks crappy. My old LCD 19 inch was 1440x900 @75 hertz. So I just was curious how many games ran higher looks like most classic games do. I will try and turn the pacman settings to 59.06 and see how the sound is.
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Re: How many games in mame run higher then 60 hertz? edit
[Re: joey35car]
#300995 - 12/20/12 01:06 AM
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Looks like when I disable the -triplebuffer in the games that run higher then 60 hertz seems to work. Runs 100 percent now. I haven't noticed any tearing in the screen on the games. Now is there a way to turn off the -triplebuffer in certain sources that run these refresh rates higher then 60 hertz? like in the ini? Kind of how I disabled the hlsl setting in vector games. I would name the ini file vector.ini and inside would be hlsl_enable 0. For example all the games in scramble.c run at 60.606061. I would like to create a ini to disable the -triplebuffer.
http://mamedev.org/devwiki/index.php/FAQ:Audio
edit: OK disabling the triplebuffer is tearing. I would like to hear from some of you who use led monitors that only run at 60 hertz what kind of setting you use for games over 60 hertz.
thanks
Edited by joey35car (12/20/12 01:24 AM)
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Re: How many games in mame run higher then 60 hertz? edit
[Re: joey35car]
#301004 - 12/20/12 02:35 AM
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hmm, maybe you should simply switch to mameuifx, and just force games which run over 60hz, to run at 60hz instead
basic set up:
install and launch mameuifx (latest beta version 0.147u4)
settings:
under sound tab: tick 'synchronize audio with emulation speed'
under advanced tab: tick triple buffer
under display tab: un-tick throttle
ps. im using a crt tv set at 60hz here, so i actually force ALL games in mame to run at 60hz using mameuifx eg. rtype at 55hz i just force it to 60hz (i dont care if it runs a little faster, its no big deal (to me anyway))....
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Help with settings please
[Re: joey35car]
#301005 - 12/20/12 02:40 AM
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Well I tried all setting and the only one that seems to work is when for example play pacman and go in the tab settings, slider control and lower the screen refresh rate from 60.60 to 59.60. I played the game up to the first key and it seems all the patterns worked and no skipping. So how would I be able to change the default settings in drivers that have a refresh rate higher then 60 hertz. Example: bagman.c which is 60.60 to 59.60. I am using a front-end so a command line is no good. Can I create a ini file to do this and how would it look?
Thanks
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Re: How many games in mame run higher then 60 hertz? edit
[Re: grog]
#301006 - 12/20/12 02:41 AM
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Thanks I would prefer to stick with mame.exe with a front-end mala.
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Re: How many games in mame run higher then 60 hertz? edit
[Re: joey35car]
#301007 - 12/20/12 02:53 AM
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by the way i notice perhaps u are having trouble using the slider menu and changing the screen refresh rate to exactly 60
try holding down the ALT key when changing the slider values. that way u can get it to exactly 60hz
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Re: How many games in mame run higher then 60 hertz? edit
[Re: joey35car]
#301008 - 12/20/12 02:53 AM
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> Thanks I would prefer to stick with mame.exe with a front-end mala.
There is a command called -refreshspeed which is supposed to scale back the refresh rate to just below your monitors so you do not have audio issues. I'm unsure how well it coincides with other video syncing commands but there are many people who used to complain in the past that no longer complain - so there must good settings 
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Re: How many games in mame run higher then 60 hertz? edit
[Re: Tafoid]
#301009 - 12/20/12 02:59 AM
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> > Thanks I would prefer to stick with mame.exe with a front-end mala.
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> There is a command called -refreshspeed which is supposed to scale back the refresh
> rate to just below your monitors so you do not have audio issues. I'm unsure how well
> it coincides with other video syncing commands but there are many people who used to
> complain in the past that no longer complain - so there must good settings
Thanks for the reply but I did try that and it still only runs at 99% and still has sound issues.
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Re: How many games in mame run higher then 60 hertz? edit
[Re: grog]
#301010 - 12/20/12 03:02 AM
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> by the way i notice perhaps u are having trouble using the slider menu and changing
> the screen refresh rate to exactly 60
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> try holding down the ALT key when changing the slider values. that way u can get it
> to exactly 60hz
Thanks so far this is the best option for this problem but how would I create a ini file for the drivers that have a refresh rate higher then 60 hertz?
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Re: How many games in mame run higher then 60 hertz? edit
[Re: joey35car]
#301019 - 12/20/12 03:44 AM
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the only way i know of saving slider values (eg. screen refesh rate) for a game is to set autosave to '1' in your mame.ini
its not exactly a pretty way of doing things though.. ie. u may need to set your .sta save files to read only to stop mame saving your game point every time you quit
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Re: How many games in mame run higher then 60 hertz? edit
[Re: grog]
#301021 - 12/20/12 03:52 AM
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> the only way i know of saving slider values (eg. screen refesh rate) for a game is to
> set autosave to '1' in your mame.ini, its not exactly a pretty way of doing things
> though unfortunately
Wish there was an easier way because there are many games that run higher then 60 hertz especially the older classic games and clones.  That's why I would like to know if there was a way to just change the source and it would do it for all games in that source.
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Re: How many games in mame run higher then 60 hertz? edit
[Re: joey35car]
#301022 - 12/20/12 04:00 AM
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Well I'm going to hook this PC to my HDTV which is 120 hertz and see how things look and run. If it look and plays 100% I will return this monitor and just buy another HDTV and use the HLSL settings
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Re: How many games in mame run higher then 60 hertz?
[Re: joey35car]
#301025 - 12/20/12 05:08 AM
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> Well got a 27 inch led hd monitor and stuck at 60 hertz refresh rate. I can lower my
> resolution screen and get 75 hertz but looks crappy. My old LCD 19 inch was 1440x900
> @75 hertz. So I just was curious how many games ran higher looks like most classic
> games do. I will try and turn the pacman settings to 59.06 and see how the sound is.
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Re: How many games in mame run higher then 60 hertz?
[Re: italie]
#301027 - 12/20/12 05:44 AM
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Ha ha yes was using my phone at work and not proof reading it before I posted.
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Re: How many games in mame run higher then 60 hertz? edit
[Re: joey35car]
#301085 - 12/21/12 12:28 AM
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> Well I'm going to hook this PC to my HDTV which is 120 hertz and see how things look
> and run. If it look and plays 100% I will return this monitor and just buy another
> HDTV and use the HLSL settings
BTW, 120 Hz TV's only accept video input at 60 Hz. They interpolate the video out to 120 Hz so it's not going to make a difference for MAME in the way that you think. To get true 120 Hz on an LCD/LED monitor you'll need to get a 120 Hz gaming monitor such as the Asus VG278HE or the Acer HN274H BMIIID.
Read this for a more detailed explanation: http://www.overclock.net/t/662628/60hz-vs-120hz-explained
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Re: How many games in mame run higher then 60 hertz? edit
[Re: Waremonger]
#301110 - 12/21/12 05:38 AM
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Re: How many games in mame run higher then 60 hertz? edit
[Re: joey35car]
#301114 - 12/21/12 07:35 AM
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> This might be what I'm looking for.
> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Viewsonic---...=specifications
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> and thanks for the link.
I'm guessing you're already aware that the monitor you linked is not 120 Hz. There are only a few 27" 120 Hz gaming monitors being made right now. I bought an Asus VG278H last year but ended up sending it back. It had the worst back-light bleeding I've seen on any monitor and after using it for two days one of the back-lights died. Asus wanted me to RMA it and they were going to send me a refurbished monitor in exchange so I sent it right back to Amazon and got my money back. I ended up buying a 27" HP ZR2740W IPS monitor instead. It's not as great for gaming (not bad either) but the color quality and back-light bleeding are much better than the Asus. Hopefully monitor manufacturers will get off their asses soon and develop a 27" 120 Hz IPS 2560x1440 monitor with low latency.
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Re: How many games in mame run higher then 60 hertz? edit
[Re: joey35car]
#301121 - 12/21/12 12:59 PM
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> Thanks so far this is the best option for this problem but how would I create a ini file for the drivers that have a refresh rate higher then 60 hertz?
I'm afraid it's just not possible to create refresh specific ini files for MAME.
To run games with a native refresh rate higher than your video card's without any slowdown or tearing, you need a system that supports asynchronous page flip scheduling. DirectX (9) does not support this. Linux SDL does, AFAIK.
That's why, under Windows, the emulation speed with triple buffering enabled is limited to the video card's refresh, and the reason for a -refreshspeed option altogether.
By now, the only MAME derivative with a -triplebuffer implementation that does what you want is GroovyMAME, e.g. running 'galaga' (60.61 Hz) at 100% on a 60 Hz screen without tearing or tearing or sound skipping). This is achieved by moving the page flipping code into a separate thread of execution.
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That's why I would like to know if there was a way to just change the source and it would do it for all games in that source.
