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It works! 
I'm really impressed, the sync is perfect! Going to have a lot of fun with this, thanks for all your hard work
I've attached the 147u3 version of the source files.
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Re: Help emulating the model1 comm board
[Re: RetroRepair]
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Hi retro. Your sync is perfect, hmmm mine is off only slightly during attract mode.
Could you compare yours to my vid and advise if there is a difference?
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> Hi retro. Your sync is perfect, hmmm mine is off only slightly during attract mode.
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> Could you compare yours to my vid and advise if there is a difference?
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> Thanks
Sync depends on the specs of the emulating machine.
In my WingWar cab I am using two identical C2D 2,4GHz setups.
There is a "leading machine", which usually is the master, but doesn't have to be. Say in a 4 player setup, the master and the first slave are driving a race, the master will be leader for that particular race, and the seconds slave will be leader for the attract mode.
The "leading machine" sends a "end attract mode #yx" to the slaves at the end of a cycle (the blinkin VR logo) and "start attract mode #xy" message (after the VR logo).
Other than that, they run on their own, so if your machines aren't running 100% the same speed, attract mode sync may be slightly off.
Ingame, the "leading machine" sends a sync message once per frame, so if the slaves are running faster/slower they will be somewhat synched. Though you most likely will see little differences after a race (total time).
*EDIT*
In your video, the left unit has a total time of "1'05'03" and the right unit was "1'05'90" - Your right unit is running a little faster 
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> Nevermind, I plonked the comm options in the wrong place in emuopts.c, compiled fine
> now
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> I'll post the 147u3 version when I have tested it. Seems a bit of work was done to
> the driver since 146 (might be even different in 148).
Work done on model 1 since 0.146?
Umm, yeeeeah.
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Re: Help emulating the model1 comm board
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Ah yes of course 148 introduced some MAJOR changes to model 1 (and model 3 of course)
Looks like some modernization occurred before 147u5 though
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> Ah yes of course 148 introduced some MAJOR changes to model 1 (and model 3 of course)
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> Looks like some modernization occurred before 147u5 though
Ice Ice Baby 
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> Ah yes of course 148 introduced some MAJOR changes to model 1 (and model 3 of course)
Model 2 too, you can go into the service menu on stcc and listen to Ann Sinclair all day long
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No video to show, but I was able to get 2-way link on the same machine to work for VR and Wing War on Linux after porting the winsocket changes to sdlsocket. Also got same-machine 2-way VR to work on OS X.
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> No video to show, but I was able to get 2-way link on the same machine to work for VR
> and Wing War on Linux after porting the winsocket changes to sdlsocket. Also got
> same-machine 2-way VR to work on OS X.
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So have you found out anything more, especially regarding actually emulating the CPU on the network board?
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Re: Help emulating the model1 comm board
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> So have you found out anything more, especially regarding actually emulating the CPU
> on the network board?
nothing to spectacular, i've created a standalone driver emulating the comm board only which seems to work until the DMA and/or the DLC controller get involved.
the tech docs i got for the dlc controller have a register map, but some of the bits like protocol selection (PSEL0 to PSEL3) don't have any information on which protocol actuallys get used
a programming manual gets mentioned but I don't have it, so I'm kinda stuck for now.
*EDIT*
And I dumped the PAL/GAL on the real board, but I honestly don't think I know how to use them
*EDIT2*
copy of my driver (based on mame 0.146)
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Re: Help emulating the model1 comm board
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other games possible emulate the network mode?
is possible running Virtua racing without 2nd player? (for enable the grand prix mode)
Super street fighter II the tournament fighter is possible too run the network mode simulating the 8 player in only 1 screen? (only 2 players in tournament mode)
Final Lap, Final lap 2, R and Final lap 3 has a network mode for 1 to 8 players
World grandprix has support for 8 players network, but for the protection is very hard to find for running at least 2 players
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> other games possible emulate the network mode?
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> is possible running Virtua racing without 2nd player? (for enable the grand prix
> mode)
> Super street fighter II the tournament fighter is possible too run the network mode
> simulating the 8 player in only 1 screen? (only 2 players in tournament mode)
> Final Lap, Final lap 2, R and Final lap 3 has a network mode for 1 to 8 players
> World grandprix has support for 8 players network, but for the protection is very
> hard to find for running at least 2 players
Sailor's work is only applicable to Sega games. Aside from VR, those are not Sega games.
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This is an awesome development! Any 32-bit version of cabmame, though?
> > other games possible emulate the network mode?
> >
> > is possible running Virtua racing without 2nd player? (for enable the grand prix
> > mode)
> > Super street fighter II the tournament fighter is possible too run the network mode
> > simulating the 8 player in only 1 screen? (only 2 players in tournament mode)
> > Final Lap, Final lap 2, R and Final lap 3 has a network mode for 1 to 8 players
> > World grandprix has support for 8 players network, but for the protection is very
> > hard to find for running at least 2 players
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> Sailor's work is only applicable to Sega games. Aside from VR, those are not Sega
> games.
However, has anyone tried to research other games' multi-cab implementation? (I am looking mainly at Suzuka 8 Hours games) That would be interesting.
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> This is an awesome development! Any 32-bit version of cabmame, though?
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> > > other games possible emulate the network mode?
> > >
> > > is possible running Virtua racing without 2nd player? (for enable the grand prix
> > > mode)
> > > Super street fighter II the tournament fighter is possible too run the network
> mode
> > > simulating the 8 player in only 1 screen? (only 2 players in tournament mode)
> > > Final Lap, Final lap 2, R and Final lap 3 has a network mode for 1 to 8 players
> > > World grandprix has support for 8 players network, but for the protection is very
> > > hard to find for running at least 2 players
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> > Sailor's work is only applicable to Sega games. Aside from VR, those are not Sega
> > games.
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> However, has anyone tried to research other games' multi-cab implementation? (I am
> looking mainly at Suzuka 8 Hours games) That would be interesting.
Currently the research is only relevent to the Model X Comm boards. The only thing transferable is the network backbone for mame to communicate to other processes.
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> Currently the research is only relevent to the Model X Comm boards. The only thing
> transferable is the network backbone for mame to communicate to other processes.
That backbone's already existed for 18-odd months thanks to MESS, but SS did good in allowing it to handle receive sockets too.
(This screenshot misses the MESS window decorations, but it's Windows 2000 running in current MESS loading Google.au in Internet Exploder).
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Re: Help emulating the model1 comm board
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Hi,
awesome work.
What are the chances of you looking at doing a similar hack to the Supermodel Emulator for Sega Model 3?
My dream is to play Daytona 2 and Scud Race/Sega Super GT at home over network!
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> Hi,
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> awesome work.
>
> What are the chances of you looking at doing a similar hack to the Supermodel
> Emulator for Sega Model 3?
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> My dream is to play Daytona 2 and Scud Race/Sega Super GT at home over network!
It Exists
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> > Hi,
> >
> > awesome work.
> >
> > What are the chances of you looking at doing a similar hack to the Supermodel
> > Emulator for Sega Model 3?
> >
> > My dream is to play Daytona 2 and Scud Race/Sega Super GT at home over network!
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> It Exists
Yup. And credit where due, it's based loosely on SailorSat's work on these games.
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> I uploaded a video of the changes in CabMAME, running Virtua Racing.
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> Video's right here, enjoy!
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=donq2NgJkus
Finally moved to the new location...
Haven't worked on anything for like 3 months 
Step 1.0 done - 4 Player + Live
Step 1.5 done - 8 Player + Live - though running daytona at the time
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> > I uploaded a video of the changes in CabMAME, running Virtua Racing.
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> > Video's right here, enjoy!
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> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=donq2NgJkus
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> Finally moved to the new location...
> Haven't worked on anything for like 3 months
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> Step 1.0 done - 4 Player + Live
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> Step 1.5 done - 8 Player + Live - though running daytona at the time
You sir are a god
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Looks amazing. Where have you moved too.
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> Looks amazing. Where have you moved too.
We moved from "Rodenbach" to "Seligenstadt" - (Germany, near Frankfurt).
Priorities got lowered a little bit. Next step will be a "stand alone" Model1 Comm Board.
First I'm gonna add a 32mhz OSC to the board (and hook up power), then most likely I can run some custom code on the boards Z80.
Next step may be to hook up a RS485 converter (or a RS232 converter) to the "other" outputs and actually read real data. However I don't know if this will work as I haven't checked the stream data yet.
Async-Serial streams usually have stop-bits and stuff. Don't know if the DLC is actually streaming async data.
Long term goal would be a converter from "m1comm" to ethernet, so one could link a real model1 to an emulated one.
If that works, might it a shot with Model2 - Link up real daytonas worldwide! ;D
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> > Looks amazing. Where have you moved too.
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> We moved from "Rodenbach" to "Seligenstadt" - (Germany, near Frankfurt).
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> Priorities got lowered a little bit. Next step will be a "stand alone" Model1 Comm
> Board.
> First I'm gonna add a 32mhz OSC to the board (and hook up power), then most likely I
> can run some custom code on the boards Z80.
>
> Next step may be to hook up a RS485 converter (or a RS232 converter) to the "other"
> outputs and actually read real data. However I don't know if this will work as I
> haven't checked the stream data yet.
> Async-Serial streams usually have stop-bits and stuff. Don't know if the DLC is
> actually streaming async data.
>
> Long term goal would be a converter from "m1comm" to ethernet, so one could link a
> real model1 to an emulated one.
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> If that works, might it a shot with Model2 - Link up real daytonas worldwide! ;D
Ambitious plan but love the idea!
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After a long time...
I'm currently building a ISA to MODEL-1 COMM Adapter to do some "blackbox" testing.
For whatever reason I seem unable to understand that JEDEC stuff...
Poking the PALs with my prototyping wires proofs to be way more straightforward
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> After a long time...
> I'm currently building a ISA to MODEL-1 COMM Adapter to do some "blackbox" testing.
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> For whatever reason I seem unable to understand that JEDEC stuff...
> Poking the PALs with my prototyping wires proofs to be way more straightforward
For the curious...
http://images.arianchen.de/?x=sega2isa/model1
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> > After a long time...
> > I'm currently building a ISA to MODEL-1 COMM Adapter to do some "blackbox" testing.
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> > For whatever reason I seem unable to understand that JEDEC stuff...
> > Poking the PALs with my prototyping wires proofs to be way more straightforward
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> For the curious...
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> http://images.arianchen.de/?x=sega2isa/model1
Nice! You might want to start a new thread though, it's a little hard to find these posts in threaded view
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> Nice! You might want to start a new thread though, it's a little hard to find these
> posts in threaded view
You are right.
here we go...
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I'd like to compile a version of the latest MAME with this driver, SailorSat. I'm requesting your permission (& the know how) to do such a thing.
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