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Compiling page updated
#295401 - 09/09/12 07:38 PM
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Compiling page has been updated:
- Information updated to build 0.146u5
- Information updated for building MAMEUI
- Added a batch file to run a command prompt with Administrative rights, so that you won't get patch.exe errors and don't have to rename the file
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Re: Compiling page updated
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#295405 - 09/09/12 08:48 PM
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Re: Compiling page updated
[Re: Mr. Do]
#295423 - 09/09/12 10:24 PM
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> Added a batch file to run a command prompt with Administrative rights, so that you
> won't get patch.exe errors and don't have to rename the file
Um, no. You just need that patch.exe.manifest file that I included in previous builds.
Please don't encourage more people to run as administrator needlessly.
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Re: Compiling page updated
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#295442 - 09/10/12 02:36 AM
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Shouldn't it be included with the compile tools?
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Re: Compiling page updated
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#295446 - 09/10/12 05:51 AM
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Re: Compiling page updated
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#295449 - 09/10/12 06:08 AM
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> > Added a batch file to run a command prompt with Administrative rights, so that you
> > won't get patch.exe errors and don't have to rename the file
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> Um, no. You just need that patch.exe.manifest file that I included in previous
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> Please don't encourage more people to run as administrator needlessly.
Found it... I'll update it tomorrow.
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Re: Compiling page updated
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#295458 - 09/10/12 08:56 AM
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maybe give a hint that -if you started patch.exe already without having the manifest file- you need to remove some keys in the registry to work with the manifest file afterwards.
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Re: Compiling page updated
[Re: Mr. Do]
#295505 - 09/11/12 12:39 AM
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MAME Compiling Page: updated for 0.146u5
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> Compiling page has been updated:
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> Information updated to build 0.146u5
> Information updated for building MAMEUI
> Added a batch file to run a command prompt with Administrative rights, so that you
> won't get patch.exe errors and don't have to rename the file
Every time I click that link, it keeps saying "404 Not Found."
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Re: Compiling page updated
[Re: Master O]
#295507 - 09/11/12 12:42 AM
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Because the url is wrong.
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Re: Compiling page updated
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#295509 - 09/11/12 12:43 AM
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> >
MAME Compiling Page: updated for 0.146u5
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> > Compiling page has been updated:
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> > Information updated to build 0.146u5
> > Information updated for building MAMEUI
> > Added a batch file to run a command prompt with Administrative rights, so that you
> > won't get patch.exe errors and don't have to rename the file
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> Every time I click that link, it keeps saying "404 Not Found."
Should be fixed now. The hyperlink didn't include http:// so it assumed it was an internal link to the forum and not a separate external page.
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Re: Compiling page updated
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#295519 - 09/11/12 02:02 AM
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No, only "patch". By default, UAC assumes that any .exe whose filename contains the words "install", "setup" or "patch" needs to be run as Administrator. It's the filename that's important, not what the .exe actually tries to do.
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Re: Compiling page updated
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#295534 - 09/11/12 04:09 AM
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Is it useful to continue to encourage MAMEUI, especially when QMC2 seems to be a better, more generic (at least more portable) way to go? The cross-platform UI apporach seems to be more interesting.
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Re: Compiling page updated
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#295536 - 09/11/12 04:23 AM
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> Is it useful to continue to encourage MAMEUI, especially when QMC2 seems to be a
> better, more generic (at least more portable) way to go? The cross-platform UI
> apporach seems to be more interesting.
Yes it's useful for people who want to build MAMEUI. It's not like it is on mamedev.org.
If you want to use / build QMC2 then you are welcome to. Maybe you could do a write up like Mr. Do has done.
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Re: Compiling page updated
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#295539 - 09/11/12 04:33 AM
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Re: Compiling page updated
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#295540 - 09/11/12 04:36 AM
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> > Maybe you could do a write
> up like Mr. Do has done.
Hmmm... or maybe I should check it out. =D
And it'll have to wait 'til tomorrow to re-update... long day... time for bed.
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Re: Compiling page updated
[Re: AWJ]
#295552 - 09/11/12 07:27 AM
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> No, only "patch". By default, UAC assumes that any .exe whose filename contains the
> words "install", "setup" or "patch" needs to be run as Administrator. It's the
> filename that's important, not what the .exe actually tries to do.
Really? That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Is that supposed to increase security? I hope someone at Microsoft got fired for that.
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Just rename patch to pat. Problem solve. =)
[Re: Mr. Do]
#295555 - 09/11/12 08:16 AM
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That what I did. Still works without the Windows thinking it Microsoft updates is running. No need to run Administrative rights.
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Re: Compiling page updated
[Re: krick]
#295558 - 09/11/12 08:52 AM
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No, there's actually a sensible reason for it. Microsoft's goal with UAC was to finally break the vicious circle of "Everyone runs Windows with Administrator privileges because there are so many applications that require it, usually for stupid reasons like putting config files or user data into C:\Program Files; and because everyone does run as Administrator, there's no incentive for application vendors to fix their applications".
There are two possible reasons an application might want to write into C:\Program Files (or another protected folder):
1) It's an old Win9x-vintage application, or one whose author never got the memo about Windows becoming a multiuser OS where you can't just write files wherever you want. In this case, UAC silently redirects the write to a "virtual" copy of the protected folder under the current user's home folder. This way, users can run their old and broken apps without ever seeing a UAC prompt and without any chance that the broken app can trash system files.
2) It's an application installer or updater, in which case it really does need to write to the actual C:\Program Files folder, not to a virtual copy of it, and therefore UAC really does have to prompt the user for an Administrator password.
Microsoft needed a way to distinguish between 1) and 2) that was compatible with old applications and that didn't require user intervention. The method they chose was a heuristic that is described here under "Installer Detection". Short version: any executable whose metadata contains certain strings associated with installers or updaters (such as "InstallShield") or whose filename implies that it's an installer or updater is treated as 2), meaning you get a UAC prompt when you try to run it.
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Re: Compiling page updated
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#295567 - 09/11/12 03:03 PM
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This is quite handy! I was learning to compile MAME by myself for a single driver in mind and reading it before was a little difficult.
I'm not sure if this is the right place, but could we see a guide to compiling MAME Plus without using their presetup batch for compiling the whole package? With standard MAME/MAMEUI one can simply choose not to compile the UI version but every time I've tried to tinker with MAME Plus it crashes all over the place.
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Re: Compiling page updated
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#295568 - 09/11/12 03:44 PM
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Re: Compiling page updated
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#295581 - 09/12/12 01:57 AM
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> No, there's actually a sensible reason for it. Microsoft's goal with UAC was to...
No, I understand the point of UAC. I'm fine with that. I also understand that they needed to use various ways to detect installers. However I think that using the filename was questionable. They should have just built up a database of installer "signatures" and went with that. They could push out updates to the signatures with windows update as new ones are found, similar to the way they use virus signatures. For example, there's probably less than 10 installer manufacturers that account for over 90 percent of all installers ever made. Think: InstallShield, InstallAnywhere, Wise, VISE, Inno, etc... It shouldn't be too hard to build a generic signature database that covers those popular installers (in their various incarnations) without having to have specific signatures for each product being installed.
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Re: Compiling page updated
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#295659 - 09/13/12 05:00 AM
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Why not ditch MAMEUI, MAME Plus! and all that unofficial crap and have the guide show users that are otherwise unaware that the MAME/MESS sources are now merged and they have the option of compiling either one or a combined UME build.
For simplicity the MESS ROMs might as well be added to MAME to further eliminate errors that new users might come across.
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Re: Compiling page updated
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#295665 - 09/13/12 09:36 AM
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Yeah, it compiles just fine following its own batch file and unmodified makefiles, but if you want to compile it for a *single driver* it carks it, where standard MAME has no issues.
I must be missing something surely because the subtarget I use compiles for normal MAME fine so it must be something specific I have to do to MAME Plus which I can't find compiling info for anywhere.
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