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Riddle me this, automotive dudes.
#262805 - 08/23/11 06:01 PM
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95 Yukon. Front ABS sensors.
Drivers side, $41.
Passenger Side, $110.
What reasonable explanation could there be for a $71 difference in two sensors that detect the same damned thing. Please enlighten me.
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Re: Riddle me this, automotive dudes.
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#262815 - 08/23/11 08:17 PM
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One is made in USA and one is made in China?
Rock Auto has these available...
STANDARD MOTOR PRODUCTS Part # ALS1331 Left Front $34.79
STANDARD MOTOR PRODUCTS Part # ALS1333 Right Front $35.79
DORMAN Part # 970004 Front Right; 4WD $44.79
DORMAN Part # 970003 Front Left; 4WD $44.79
AIRTEX / WELLS Part # 5S4665 Front Right $53.79
AIRTEX / WELLS Part # 5S4664 Front Left $39.89
RAYBESTOS Part # ABS530581 Front; Right $84.79
RAYBESTOS Part # ABS530606 Front; Left $84.79
If you order from them, use the code 62923765228219 or 4BE6AFF51B0E (or just Google RockAuto coupon code) for 5% off. Make sure you look up the parts for yourself and don't rely on the numbers that I found!
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Re: Riddle me this, automotive dudes.
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#262817 - 08/23/11 08:18 PM
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> 95 Yukon. Front ABS sensors.
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> Drivers side, $41.
> Passenger Side, $110.
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> What reasonable explanation could there be for a $71 difference in two sensors that
> detect the same damned thing. Please enlighten me.
I was going to suggest a much, much longer cable attached to the passenger side sensor, but looking at pics via Autozone the parts look nearly identical. 
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Re: Riddle me this, automotive dudes.
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#262820 - 08/23/11 08:25 PM
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> One is made in USA and one is made in China?
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> Rock Auto has these available...
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> STANDARD MOTOR PRODUCTS Part # ALS1331 Left Front $34.79
> STANDARD MOTOR PRODUCTS Part # ALS1333 Right Front $35.79
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> DORMAN Part # 970004 Front Right; 4WD $44.79
> DORMAN Part # 970003 Front Left; 4WD $44.79
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> AIRTEX / WELLS Part # 5S4665 Front Right $53.79
> AIRTEX / WELLS Part # 5S4664 Front Left $39.89
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> RAYBESTOS Part # ABS530581 Front; Right $84.79
> RAYBESTOS Part # ABS530606 Front; Left $84.79
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> If you order from them, use the code 62923765228219 or 4BE6AFF51B0E (or just Google
> RockAuto coupon code) for 5% off. Make sure you look up the parts for yourself and
> don't rely on the numbers that I found!
Thanks for the reminder that rock auto exists. I always forget to check them, yet have had nothing but good expediences with them.
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Re: Riddle me this, automotive dudes.
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#262821 - 08/23/11 08:28 PM
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> > 95 Yukon. Front ABS sensors.
> >
> > Drivers side, $41.
> > Passenger Side, $110.
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> > What reasonable explanation could there be for a $71 difference in two sensors that
> > detect the same damned thing. Please enlighten me.
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> I was going to suggest a much, much longer cable attached to the passenger side
> sensor, but looking at pics via Autozone the parts look nearly identical.
First thought that popped into my head too, but that would still be an excessively long cable...
I still don't get it after comparing right to left. Cable lengths are within 6". Pig tails and mounts are identical. Sensors perform identical functions. Just weird.
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Re: Riddle me this, automotive dudes.
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#262830 - 08/23/11 10:17 PM
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> I still don't get it after comparing right to left. Cable lengths are within 6". Pig
> tails and mounts are identical. Sensors perform identical functions. Just weird.
If those are really that close, some engineer should have his ass kicked in for not using a common part. You would think the same part would fit almost any GM vehicle with ABS brakes!
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Re: Riddle me this, automotive dudes.
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#262855 - 08/24/11 03:08 AM
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> If those are really that close, some engineer should have his ass kicked in for not using a common part.
Um, this is the industry where people can say things like, "to change the battery you just have to jack up the car, remove the tire and part of the wheel well" with a straight face. 
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>Drivers side, $41.
>Passenger Side, $110.
>What reasonable explanation could there be for a $71 difference in two sensors that detect the same damned thing. Please enlighten me.
Ah yes, the 95 Yukon Front ABS sensor quandry... I used to work in that division back in 95 developing the ABS system for the Yukon as well as the '95 Mercury Lemon before being recruited over to work on the '96 line of Lock Lugs for the Daewoo Fashion Rims.
The Driver's side sensor need only account for the weight distribution of the Driver, and so it's magneto copper heads are only binary... whereas the Passenger side sensor need to take into account more than just the binary passenger weight distribution, so needs a ternary magneto on a platinum head to compensate for any percentage of passenger weight being rhythmically redistributed over to the driver's side during road head.
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Re: Riddle me this, automotive dudes.
[Re: redk9258]
#262861 - 08/24/11 03:53 AM
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> One is made in USA and one is made in China?
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> Rock Auto has these available...
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> STANDARD MOTOR PRODUCTS Part # ALS1331 Left Front $34.79
> STANDARD MOTOR PRODUCTS Part # ALS1333 Right Front $35.79
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> DORMAN Part # 970004 Front Right; 4WD $44.79
> DORMAN Part # 970003 Front Left; 4WD $44.79
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> AIRTEX / WELLS Part # 5S4665 Front Right $53.79
> AIRTEX / WELLS Part # 5S4664 Front Left $39.89
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> RAYBESTOS Part # ABS530581 Front; Right $84.79
> RAYBESTOS Part # ABS530606 Front; Left $84.79
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> If you order from them, use the code 62923765228219 or 4BE6AFF51B0E (or just Google
> RockAuto coupon code) for 5% off. Make sure you look up the parts for yourself and
> don't rely on the numbers that I found!
In addition to Red's note about the sourcing of the part on the aftermarket (Red's point still being very much valid) this sort of price delta is really, really common to most manufacturers, and you'll see the same sort of thing even on original parts sourced from the dealership.
I suspect some of the price differential we see on stuff like this are due mainly to cumulative error in sourcing, warehousing and cataloging. As an example:
1) Auto Manufacturer X sets up the outsourcing for its new model, the 1997 Fugly MKII, and contracts ItalCo to provide the ABS sensors.
2) Manufacturer X catalogs all of the vehicle's spare parts, and sets the wholesale/list pricing for same. The ItalCo sensors for the Fugly MKII list at $38.95 each.
3) In 2003, ItalCo is absorbed during a merger/aquisition, and the board decides to close the old company down. Existing inventory is sold off to customers, including Manufacturer X. Manufacturer X receives 20,221 left-handed sensors, and 14,963 right-hand sensors.
4) In 2007, Manufacturer X runs out of stock on ItalCo right-handed sensors, and must contract a new production run using a new vendor. The new run is done in 2007 dollars, and there are fresh tooling costs as ItalCo's production tools were sold for scrap in '03. List price for the new right-hand sensors is $101.63.
This sort of thing is really common.
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Re: Riddle me this, automotive dudes.
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#262870 - 08/24/11 05:10 AM
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> > If those are really that close, some engineer should have his ass kicked in for not
> using a common part.
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> Um, this is the industry where people can say things like, "to change the battery you
> just have to jack up the car, remove the tire and part of the wheel well" with a
> straight face.
Haw...somebody bought from mother mopar...
Don't even get me started on that 'effin 2.7L V6 that requires the plenum to be pulled for a plug change....
//still not as bad as a Cadillac oil pan gasket though.
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Re: Riddle me this, automotive dudes.
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#262872 - 08/24/11 05:50 AM
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> Don't even get me started on that 'effin 2.7L V6 that requires the plenum to be
> pulled for a plug change....
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> //still not as bad as a Cadillac oil pan gasket though.
How about those Hondas where one of the belts goes around an engine mount?
You actually have to un-bolt the engine from the mount and jack it up an inch just to change the belt.
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Re: Riddle me this, automotive dudes.
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#262874 - 08/24/11 06:31 AM
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> > Don't even get me started on that 'effin 2.7L V6 that requires the plenum to be
> > pulled for a plug change....
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> > //still not as bad as a Cadillac oil pan gasket though.
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> How about those Hondas where one of the belts goes around an engine mount?
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> You actually have to un-bolt the engine from the mount and jack it up an inch just to
> change the belt.
That is pretty good, but I still think Chrysler can top the charts for belt stupidity as well. Intrepid (3.3L or 3.5L...can't remember which) Had the timing ~BELT~ enclosed in a metal housing with the water pump...on an interference motor. The water pump was also very prone to failure. Pump fails...belt slips...piston meets valve....~ping~. New motor needed because your water pump failed.
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Re: Riddle me this, automotive dudes.
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#262875 - 08/24/11 07:16 AM
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> That is pretty good, but I still think Chrysler can top the charts for belt stupidity
> as well. Intrepid (3.3L or 3.5L...can't remember which) Had the timing ~BELT~
> enclosed in a metal housing with the water pump...on an interference motor. The water
> pump was also very prone to failure. Pump fails...belt slips...piston meets
> valve....~ping~. New motor needed because your water pump failed.
My sister bought a PT Cruiser for her daughter. The water pump started leaking. I'm not sure but if it really was the pump but she was told it needed replaced. About $1000 later the pump and belts (I think timing and serpentine) were replaced.
I drive a Chevy Cavalier. The water pump is not blocked by anything. An AC-Delco or Gates water pump is under $25. To replace it you just have to remove the serpentine belt and 4 bolts for the pulley and 4 bolts for the pump. Knock on wood, but it is still original @ 231000 miles. This has been a great car except the fucking dash cracking all to hell. I think GM must have used recycled-recycled plastic or something.
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Re: Riddle me this, automotive dudes.
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#262890 - 08/24/11 02:07 PM
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> My sister bought a PT Cruiser for her daughter. The water pump started leaking. I'm
> not sure but if it really was the pump but she was told it needed replaced. About
> $1000 later the pump and belts (I think timing and serpentine) were replaced.
Reminded of one more Chrysler flub. Thos PT Cruisers had a very quiet recall when they first came out. A/C would quit working after a week or three. Mechanics would inspect and recharge the system, everything would look OK. Three weeks later, people were back again, AC quit working. Tracer dyes weren't telling anything, so after 4-5 recharges these shops started getting a little pissy about these. Chrystelr found the issue after a few weeks, and issued a quiet recall. Two dash screws were of inappropriate length on the first 5000 or so of these made. The screws would head through the firewall, and right into the evaporator. The seal was so-so, causing a slow leak.
> I drive a Chevy Cavalier. The water pump is not blocked by anything. An AC-Delco or
> Gates water pump is under $25. To replace it you just have to remove the serpentine
> belt and 4 bolts for the pulley and 4 bolts for the pump. Knock on wood, but it is
> still original @ 231000 miles. This has been a great car except the fucking dash
> cracking all to hell. I think GM must have used recycled-recycled plastic or
> something.
My wife drove hers into the ground. Not a flashy ride, but they are sturdy.
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