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#244750 - 01/27/11 05:07 PM





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#244751 - 01/27/11 07:11 PM


That's going in the archive.



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I think he said "Blessed are the cheese makers" new [Re: DR]
#244784 - 01/27/11 11:50 PM


"Oh, it's blessed are the MEEK! Oh, I'm glad they're getting something, they have a hell of a time. "



Edited by Hizzout (01/27/11 11:51 PM)



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Re: I think he said "Blessed are the cheese makers" new [Re: Hizzout]
#244822 - 01/28/11 10:04 AM


> "Oh, it's blessed are the MEEK! Oh, I'm glad they're getting something, they have a
> hell of a time. "

Yeah. This is why we shouldn't follow things like warning labels/signs, directions on things to put together, dosages on medicine or prescriptions, etc.



eta: Are we really ALL THAT Different? Are we completely different? I don't think so. We're more alike than we are different.

And if we shouldn't listen to anybody - why should anyone listen to him?

Edited by T0M (01/28/11 11:48 AM)



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Re: I think he said "Blessed are the cheese makers" new [Re: Tomu Breidah]
#244835 - 01/28/11 04:15 PM



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Yeah. This is why we shouldn't follow things like warning labels/signs, directions on things to put together, dosages on medicine or prescriptions, etc.




Hm...I never knew Jesus preached about dosages, or safety. I thought that someone "figured it out for themselves" and decided to share that information with everyone else.

Must read the bible again to find out how much aspirin I should be taking.



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Re: I think he said "Blessed are the cheese makers" new [Re: Hizzout]
#244838 - 01/28/11 04:44 PM


> Yeah. This is why we shouldn't follow things like warning labels/signs, directions on
> things to put together, dosages on medicine or prescriptions, etc.
>
> Hm...I never knew Jesus preached about dosages, or safety. I thought that someone
> "figured it out for themselves" and decided to share that information with everyone
> else.
>
> Must read the bible again to find out how much aspirin I should be taking.

Hm... I was thinking more along the lines of the one that created life would know the best way to live it. Therefor we should follow what he told us to do. Just as you would follow anyone else that has authority on or about something.

I know I don't need to do this, but... If a doctor tells us "take 2 of theses and call me in the morning" - according to the video you posted we shouldn't listen to that doctor and just figure out what to do on our own.


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Re: I think he said "Blessed are the cheese makers" new [Re: Tomu Breidah]
#244839 - 01/28/11 04:53 PM



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I was thinking more along the lines of the one that created life would know the best way to live it. Therefor [sic] we should follow what he told us to do.




I would have to disagree as "the one that created life" had no problems with slavery, sacrificing and killing children, and sending a bear to kill some kids because they called someone a "bald head". If my next door neighbor told me to do those sorts of things I don't think I'd be following anything that guy told me to do, much less from some guy that claimed to be the son of God (who is ALSO God ).


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There's a way that seems right to a man, but the end leads to destruction.




Isn't destruction what most Christians are looking forward to? I mean, after they're saved of course...the rest of us should suffer for all eternity. I dunno but God seems like a bit of a megalomaniac if you ask me.



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Re: I think he said "Blessed are the cheese makers" new [Re: Hizzout]
#244841 - 01/28/11 05:39 PM


> I was thinking more along the lines of the one that created life would know the best
> way to live it. Therefor [sic] we should follow what he told us to do.
>
> I would have to disagree as "the one that created life" had no problems with slavery,
> sacrificing and killing children, and sending a bear to kill some kids because they
> called someone a "bald head". If my next door neighbor told me to do those sorts of
> things I don't think I'd be following anything that guy told me to do.
>

That's fine if you want to focus on a few negative things. When something bad happens in the Bible -you have to keep in mind if the result was of their bad choices or if it was for justice. Like, someone stole from you, they were tried and convicted, but a judge just lets them go free. I suppose God (in the Old testament) should've let every evil action just slide by?

The rules that applied to the people of Israel were so they could be perfect, an example to the rest of the world. It sounds pretty authoritarian. But, as an example; would it be an authoritarian principle for people to not do things like drugs? What if people didn't even have the desire to do drugs? Then there wouldn't be ANY problem with drugs in the first place. So, you could say it's an authoritarian principle to tell people not to sin. But if they don't have the desire to sin (or break the commandments of God)... well? You could say that's just using fear to get people to follow your "religion". I'd be more fearful of the end result of foolish decisions (or going so far into something that you can't get out of it). Like anyone should be fearful of jumping into a lion cage. It's a good type of fear.

> There's a way that seems right to a man, but the end leads to destruction.
>
> Isn't destruction what most Christians are looking forward to? I mean, after they're
> saved of course...the rest of us should suffer for all eternity. I dunno but God
> seems like a bit of a megalomaniac if you ask me.

Death isn't something to look forward to because that would be very selfish to leave our loved ones behind to grieve, it's just something that shouldn't be feared anymore. And the best thing to a Christian should be - knowing those who live around them aren't going to go to a place and suffer for all eternity after they die.



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Re: I think he said "Blessed are the cheese makers" new [Re: Tomu Breidah]
#244847 - 01/28/11 06:18 PM


I didn't really want a religious debate, but ok...


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That's fine if you want to focus on a few negative things.




Why doesn't Christianity ever focus on them? The preacher on Sunday is always ready to tell you about the love, and good that God does, but omits the instances where God seems to fly off the handle. Being mauled to death for calling someone a "bald head" is justice?

Yikes.


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The rules that applied to the people of Israel were so they could be perfect, an example to the rest of the world.




Isn't the Bible supposed to be THE word of God? Why would God have one set of rules for one people, then have to change the rules later? If God is all knowing and powerful his word shouldn't need change. Why was God cool with slavery, mistreatment of women, and a "dry run" for child murder then, but not now?

And on the topic of Abraham and Issac...it was supposed to be a "test of faith"? Sheesh, once again God has some serious issues. There was another who made his followers perform "tests of faith" (a.k.a. loyalty tests). Religious or not, most rational people would agree that it's a pretty sick joke to tell someone to kill their child, and then later say it was just a loyalty test.


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What if people didn't even have the desire to do drugs? Then there wouldn't be ANY problem with drugs in the first place.




Explain cats and catnip, and koalas and eucalyptus for me please. I'm half joking but it's a pretty basic impulse for living creatures that if they partake of something that feels good, they generally will want to keep doing it. That doesn't apply to drugs only by the way.

If you're going to live your life based on the teachings of Jesus and the Bible then you can't pick and choose which parts are OK and which parts no longer apply. Even God says that you can't stray from his word otherwise you're not obedient. So you not only have to "love thy neighbor" (Mark 12:31) but you can sell your daughter into slavery (Exodus 21:7-11). You can't have "graven images" (2nd commandment) but have you ever been to the Vatican? Someone should really tell them to take down all their golden Jesus's and tapestries. Maybe they can melt down the gold and use it to help feed the millions of dedicated followers living in poverty and hunger.



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