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Balloon Bomber video >>
#241282 - 12/16/10 12:52 AM
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I found a Balloon Bomber video with sound:)
Anybody here wants to add these samples to MAME?
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Re: Balloon Bomber video >>
[Re: MASH]
#241286 - 12/16/10 01:15 AM
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> I found a Balloon Bomber video with sound
> Anybody here wants to add these samples to MAME?
Samples from a Youtube vid are sub-par, IMHO.
If the original video could be obtained, then perhaps that might be worthwhile.
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Re: Balloon Bomber video >>
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#241288 - 12/16/10 01:31 AM
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Re: Balloon Bomber video >>
[Re: twisty]
#241289 - 12/16/10 01:49 AM
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> > I found a Balloon Bomber video with sound
> > Anybody here wants to add these samples to MAME?
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> Samples from a Youtube vid are sub-par, IMHO.
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> If the original video could be obtained, then perhaps that might be worthwhile.
Just extract them from the PS2 disc ;-)
(Though, I don't know how Nicola would feel about someone ripping a file from his retail work to add something to MAME... kinda like dividing by zero).
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Re: Balloon Bomber video >>
[Re: Mr. Do]
#241295 - 12/16/10 02:58 AM
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> Just extract them from the PS2 disc ;-)
Well I have Taito Legends 1 & 2 for the XBOX, with the audio wired into my sound-card.
I've just been hesitant to go that route for obvious reasons.
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Re: Balloon Bomber video >>
[Re: twisty]
#241296 - 12/16/10 03:05 AM
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> > Just extract them from the PS2 disc ;-)
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> Well I have Taito Legends 1 & 2 for the XBOX, with the audio wired into my
> sound-card.
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> I've just been hesitant to go that route for obvious reasons.
Hmm, I just checked and apparently that game was exclusive to the PS2 
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PS2 exclusives
Balloon Bomber
G-Darius
RayStorm
Syvalion
Xbox/PC exclusives
Bubble Symphony (Bubble Bobble 2 in other countries)
Cadash
Pop'n Pop
RayForce (Gunlock in other countries)
Taito Legends 2 was also PAL exclusive on the XBOX, meaning it was one of the very few PAL discs to run on NTSC units,
but the games ran at a slightly faster pace.
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[Re: twisty]
#241301 - 12/16/10 04:30 AM
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Re: Balloon Bomber video >>
[Re: twisty]
#241318 - 12/16/10 11:23 AM
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> > > Just extract them from the PS2 disc ;-)
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> > Well I have Taito Legends 1 & 2 for the XBOX, with the audio wired into my
> > sound-card.
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> > I've just been hesitant to go that route for obvious reasons.
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> Hmm, I just checked and apparently that game was exclusive to the PS2
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> PS2 exclusives
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> Balloon Bomber
> G-Darius
> RayStorm
> Syvalion
If the Balloon Bomber PCB is anything like Polaris hardware (and it seems like it is since it has cloud gfx in a PROM also) then all we need is the schematics since all of the sound will be generated with discrete components. A PCB might be required to fix the sounds if the schematics aren't accurate and we can get a dump of the cloud PROM as well.
Derrick added the sounds for Polaris directly from the schems and I helped to fix them to sound more like the real PCB be referencing components on my PCB which Derrick then corrected. That's why Polaris sounds so good :-D
In theory the same can be done for Balloon Bomber if PCB/schems are found.
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Re: Balloon Bomber video >>
[Re: Robbbert]
#241319 - 12/16/10 11:25 AM
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> However thanks for posting it, at least we know what is expected - and also the
> clouds which are missing from MAME.
The missing cloud data is a known issue
http://maws.mameworld.info/maws/set/ballbomb
A PCB will be required to dump the missing PROM.
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Re: Crazy Balloon video and Atari Hi Way too
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#241323 - 12/16/10 01:57 PM
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Re: Balloon Bomber video >>
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#241325 - 12/16/10 02:28 PM
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>If the Balloon Bomber PCB is anything like Polaris hardware (and it seems like it is
> since it has cloud gfx in a PROM also) then all we need is the schematics since all of
> the sound will be generated with discrete components. A PCB might be required to fix
> the sounds if the schematics aren't accurate and we can get a dump of the cloud PROM as
> well.
>Derrick added the sounds for Polaris directly from the schems and I helped to fix them
> to sound more like the real PCB be referencing components on my PCB which Derrick then
> corrected. That's why Polaris sounds so good.
>In theory the same can be done for Balloon Bomber if PCB/schems are found.
I recall only seeing one UK ebay auction of a Taito Balloon Bomber myself over past 5 to 6 years. I don't recall if it was pcb only or if it was entire cocktail table. I haven't been specifically searching for that myself so there may have been an ebay auction listing or two that I missed because I would be searching for other very specific items.
I don't recall ever seeing the manual being listed for an ebay auction nor the blue print schematics. Smit has paperwork (for Vortex) with one of the pages actually being previously a part of Balloon Bomber manual instead. The page provided a list of what the adjustable pots did for handling each audio sound effect for Balloon Bomber.
There should be a jpeg photo of that page over on MAME Testers web site in a Balloon Bomber entry.
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Re: Balloon Bomber video >>
[Re: MASH]
#241332 - 12/16/10 03:43 PM
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If I remember correctly, sh*tMAME has already supported the samples for Balloon Bomber ripped from the video.
I don't know the approach of MAME team about a sample.
But I doubt the accuracy of recorded sound from the video (Not from real machine "directly") because it is easily influenced by an immediate environment or even recording machine.
Especially, sample is not emulation/simulation (so it will be part of "Hack") and will only rejoice the people who enjoy playing the game.
Also I doubt MASH's "Hack" of spacewar. The main problem is that supported set has a prom or not but his hack is based on assumption that it "SHOULD" has any prom.
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Re: Crazy Balloon
[Re: gregf]
#241414 - 12/17/10 07:16 AM
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The real arcade game sounds much more banjoey (a word I invented:p) . It's not too far off though.
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Re: Crazy Balloon
[Re: Antny]
#241455 - 12/17/10 08:39 PM
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Yeah, there are problems with the emulation due to unreadable schematics. The pdf is a scan of a spiral bound manual, with the spiral right through some component values.
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Do not p-mail me for help compiling my updates, ask on the board.
Do not request sound for your favorite game. I work on whatever, when I get around to it.
If you have schematics for discrete sound games not easily found on the net, I would be interested.
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Re: Balloon Bomber video >>
[Re: gregf]
#241488 - 12/18/10 03:06 AM
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I don't think I have any paperwork for Vortex. That picture of the pots diagram is just some picture I found on the web from a Vortex cab owner, it was stapled to the back of it.
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Re: Balloon Bomber video >>
[Re: Smitdogg]
#241489 - 12/18/10 03:20 AM
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>I don't think I have any paperwork for Vortex. That picture of the pots diagram is just
> some picture I found on the web from a Vortex cab owner, it was stapled to the back of
> it.
I didn't know that. I thought that was yours......okay. Anyway, good thing you grabbed a photo of that. Who knows when Taito Balloon Bomber stuff will surface later.
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