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so there's a midway pacman v.1 and v.2 ?!?!
#394428 - 07/16/22 05:05 PM










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Re: so there's a midway pacman v.1 and v.2 ?!?! new [Re: Andrew]
#394429 - 07/17/22 03:58 AM


After Pac-Man was out for a while, I remember people were learning patterns and playing endless games. Operators were sent a replacement ROM IC that prevented patterns. But how and why I don’t remember. Is this what’s going on here? I don’t know but it’s interesting.



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Re: so there's a midway pacman v.1 and v.2 ?!?! new [Re: roscian]
#394431 - 07/17/22 07:16 AM


> After Pac-Man was out for a while, I remember people were learning patterns and
> playing endless games. Operators were sent a replacement ROM IC that prevented
> patterns. But how and why I don’t remember. Is this what’s going on here? I don’t
> know but it’s interesting.


mame pacman
machine configuration - change difficulty to hard

You get the same demo, where clyde kills the character sooner, in the bottom left corner, that is shown in TNT's video, claimed as "Version 2."

There's also a user comment on the video that mentions this, but then channel owner denies that's it.

I'm curious to understand how Billy Mitchell "knows" that 90% of Pac-Man boards in the world are one version, versus another version.

Side note... noticed the copyright sticker at the bottom of the monitor... was that a "thing" on the original game?




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Re: so there's a midway pacman v.1 and v.2 ?!?! new [Re: Mr. Do]
#394453 - 07/21/22 08:01 PM


Yes it looks like a ploy to say they have the version 2 Pac-Man as like you said changing the settings to hard gets the same results of the 2 demo screens. I'm pretty sure with how many Pac-Man boards was sold & how many competions there have been a said version 1 & version 2 would have been known.



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Re: so there's a midway pacman v.1 and v.2 ?!?! new [Re: agard]
#394454 - 07/22/22 01:29 AM


I was thinking the exact same thing. If there was a 2nd version, then we would have known about it a long time ago and I'm sure it would haver been made available in MAME. If they can get prototype games that never were even released (Marble Madness II for example), they certainly would have gotten the 2nd version of Pac-Man



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Re: so there's a midway pacman v.1 and v.2 ?!?! new [Re: Mr. Do]
#394475 - 07/23/22 05:44 PM


> I'm curious to understand how Billy Mitchell "knows" that 90% of Pac-Man boards in
> the world are one version, versus another version.

Let's say that there's a hypothetical person named 'Millie'. Millie chases arcade game world records, and has done so for several decades. Her entire personality and public persona are built around this little universe - well, except for the parts that make her a liar, cheat, and amoral, narcissistic weasel.

After several years of public scrutiny and ridicule over recorded gameplay of hers showing that she cheated on a score submission by using an emulator and videotape editing rather than original hardware and skill, Millie feels the need to stage a comeback. After all, narcissists need the attention of others in order to live; without it, they have nothing.

So, as the latest in a string of attempts to make everyone forget about her unethical past, she convinces a well-known retailer of classic arcade games - who happens to have a streaming video presence - to publically state that there's a second version of a game on which she once held a world record on his channel. That'll build her credibility for sure, even if it wasn't the game that led to the dispute that sealed her fate as conniving scum.

Now, given that the game in question has been around for 42 years and is arguably the most popular arcade game of all time, you'd think that if there was a second version of it out there it would already be public knowledge. Certainly, you'd expect the man who is the classic arcade game retailer with close to a half-century in the trade to perhaps know this, but he appears stunned - on camera, no less! - by Millie's revelation.

Does this sound conspiratorial? Perhaps so. But Millie's manipulative, and still has some friends in certain corners. Mr. Retailer may be one of those friends; he may also just be indifferent to events or simply gullible. It's hard to tell. But Millie also has a number of legal entanglements related to her past scores taking place in the courts at present, and anywhere she can have someone make her appear to have anything approaching even the tiniest bit of trustworthiness is, in her mind, something that can only bolster her legal defence and redeem her in the eyes of the public.

Also, Millie's last name is Bitchell.



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Re: so there's a midway pacman v.1 and v.2 ?!?! new [Re: casm]
#394478 - 07/23/22 07:46 PM


This is one of the best posts I've ever seen.

If I were given to conspiratorial thinking, I might almost think that it's an allusion to William "Billy" James Mitchell Jr., born in 1965, who is a known confidence artist.

The same William "Billy" James Mitchell Jr. who was discovered to have made obvious use of some form of emulator in setting what he claimed was a world record in Donkey Kong, and has restricted his interactions only to non-technical people who don't know any better, and will take him at his completely valueless word rather than challenge him.

This would also be the same William "Billy" James Mitchell Jr. who had close associations with Todd Rogers, another serial liar and confidence artist who took advantage of the lack of easy verification of lies in the 80's to parlay his way into something resembling fame, a figurehead among other people born around the boomer/Gen-X boundary.

Probably, also, the same William "Billy" James Mitchell Jr. who filed a defamation lawsuit - and lost - against Cartoon Network, because he was super offended at a satirical portrayal of his likeness in a childrens' cartoon.

If I was even more conspiracy-minded, I might suggest that it's also the same William "Billy" James Mitchell Jr. who is now filing a defamation suit against both Twin Galaxies for having the temerity to inform him of his habitual lying, as well as YouTuber Karl Jobst for drawing attention to this habitual lying.

I would of course never do any of these things. I am certian that your post has nothing to do with William "Billy" James Mitchell Jr.'s habitual lying and defrauding of people, and stands entirely on its own, speaking of a hypothetical person. I'm equally certain that this William "Billy" James Mitchell Jr. is a veritable saint, and the real crime here is that people haven't investigated the efficacy of his hot sauce against cancer by virtue of the inclusion of angel tears in the ingredients list.

> > I'm curious to understand how Billy Mitchell "knows" that 90% of Pac-Man boards in
> > the world are one version, versus another version.
>
> Let's say that there's a hypothetical person named 'Millie'. Millie chases arcade
> game world records, and has done so for several decades. Her entire personality and
> public persona are built around this little universe - well, except for the parts
> that make her a liar, cheat, and amoral, narcissistic weasel.
>
> After several years of public scrutiny and ridicule over recorded gameplay of hers
> showing that she cheated on a score submission by using an emulator and videotape
> editing rather than original hardware and skill, Millie feels the need to stage a
> comeback. After all, narcissists need the attention of others in order to live;
> without it, they have nothing.
>
> So, as the latest in a string of attempts to make everyone forget about her unethical
> past, she convinces a well-known retailer of classic arcade games - who happens to
> have a streaming video presence - to publically state that there's a second version
> of a game on which she once held a world record on his channel. That'll build her
> credibility for sure, even if it wasn't the game that led to the dispute that sealed
> her fate as conniving scum.
>
> Now, given that the game in question has been around for 42 years and is arguably the
> most popular arcade game of all time, you'd think that if there was a second version
> of it out there it would already be public knowledge. Certainly, you'd expect the man
> who is the classic arcade game retailer with close to a half-century in the trade to
> perhaps know this, but he appears stunned - on camera, no less! - by Millie's
> revelation.
>
> Does this sound conspiratorial? Perhaps so. But Millie's manipulative, and still has
> some friends in certain corners. Mr. Retailer may be one of those friends; he may
> also just be indifferent to events or simply gullible. It's hard to tell. But Millie
> also has a number of legal entanglements related to her past scores taking place in
> the courts at present, and anywhere she can have someone make her appear to have
> anything approaching even the tiniest bit of trustworthiness is, in her mind,
> something that can only bolster her legal defence and redeem her in the eyes of the
> public.
>
> Also, Millie's last name is Bitchell.



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Re: so there's a midway pacman v.1 and v.2 ?!?! - A Reading new [Re: casm]
#394479 - 07/23/22 11:41 PM




> > I'm curious to understand how Billy Mitchell "knows" that 90% of Pac-Man boards in
> > the world are one version, versus another version.
>
> Let's say that there's a hypothetical person named 'Millie'. Millie chases arcade
> game world records, and has done so for several decades. Her entire personality and
> public persona are built around this little universe - well, except for the parts
> that make her a liar, cheat, and amoral, narcissistic weasel.
>
> After several years of public scrutiny and ridicule over recorded gameplay of hers
> showing that she cheated on a score submission by using an emulator and videotape
> editing rather than original hardware and skill, Millie feels the need to stage a
> comeback. After all, narcissists need the attention of others in order to live;
> without it, they have nothing.
>
> So, as the latest in a string of attempts to make everyone forget about her unethical
> past, she convinces a well-known retailer of classic arcade games - who happens to
> have a streaming video presence - to publically state that there's a second version
> of a game on which she once held a world record on his channel. That'll build her
> credibility for sure, even if it wasn't the game that led to the dispute that sealed
> her fate as conniving scum.
>
> Now, given that the game in question has been around for 42 years and is arguably the
> most popular arcade game of all time, you'd think that if there was a second version
> of it out there it would already be public knowledge. Certainly, you'd expect the man
> who is the classic arcade game retailer with close to a half-century in the trade to
> perhaps know this, but he appears stunned - on camera, no less! - by Millie's
> revelation.
>
> Does this sound conspiratorial? Perhaps so. But Millie's manipulative, and still has
> some friends in certain corners. Mr. Retailer may be one of those friends; he may
> also just be indifferent to events or simply gullible. It's hard to tell. But Millie
> also has a number of legal entanglements related to her past scores taking place in
> the courts at present, and anywhere she can have someone make her appear to have
> anything approaching even the tiniest bit of trustworthiness is, in her mind,
> something that can only bolster her legal defence and redeem her in the eyes of the
> public.
>
> Also, Millie's last name is Bitchell.



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Re: so there's a midway pacman v.1 and v.2 ?!?! new [Re: casm]
#394512 - 07/28/22 09:49 PM


Did MAME ever correct the emulation of Donkey Kong so that the video output would be exactly like a real board?



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Re: so there's a midway pacman v.1 and v.2 ?!?! new [Re: mike20599]
#394516 - 07/30/22 04:44 AM


> Did MAME ever correct the emulation of Donkey Kong so that the video output would be
> exactly like a real board?

I do not believe so.

This includes the TKG-02 (Radarscope Conversion) hardware configuration still being hosed up when enabled.

It requires changing the blue radarscp_net_info from RES_NET_AMP_EMITTER to RES_NET_AMP_DARLINGTON on line 133 of \src\mame\nintendo\dkong_v.cpp.

Under older versions of mame, the aforementioned line 133 needs to be changed under \src\mame\video\dkong.cpp.

It has been broken since 0.147u1, as reported, along with the aforementioned fix, under MAME Testers: https://mametesters.org/view.php?id=5052



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Re: so there's a midway pacman v.1 and v.2 ?!?! - A Reading new [Re: MooglyGuy]
#394544 - 08/01/22 06:12 PM


Re: from the Youtube description:

"Just a reading of an absolutely brilliant post by "casm', aka "ppcasm", on the MAMEWorld forums. I wish I had a way of getting in touch with them, as I'm posting this reading without permission."

Absolutely not a problem with posting the reading, and good job of putting it together. It captured the overall tone very well, if not the accent

One thing: I have no idea who 'ppcasm' is, but I can safely say that person isn't me



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Re: so there's a midway pacman v.1 and v.2 ?!?! - A Reading new [Re: casm]
#394545 - 08/01/22 06:58 PM


> Re: from the Youtube description:
>
> "Just a reading of an absolutely brilliant post by "casm', aka "ppcasm", on the
> MAMEWorld forums. I wish I had a way of getting in touch with them, as I'm posting
> this reading without permission."
>
> Absolutely not a problem with posting the reading, and good job of putting it
> together. It captured the overall tone very well, if not the accent
>
> One thing: I have no idea who 'ppcasm' is, but I can safely say that person isn't me

Cheers, thanks. For some reason, I always thought your account name on here was just a shortened version of that used by this one N64-dev person going by "ppcasm". I've fixed up the video description, and also dropped the permission-asking part.

Fantastic writing, by the way.



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Re: so there's a midway pacman v.1 and v.2 ?!?! - A Reading new [Re: MooglyGuy]
#394549 - 08/02/22 01:30 AM


Brilliant! Thoroughly enjoyed it all around!



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