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Anybody have MAME benchmarks with a 5900 or 5950 cpu?
#393483 - 03/10/22 09:08 AM


I was thinking of grabbing one of those to pair with my 6900XT video card... but I've been disappointed in the past (Athlon 2 era, I guess?) with AMD performance vs Intel. Now with the Yuzu emulator... I'm once again disappointed that I got the 6900XT instead of a 3080 or 3080ti or 3090...

And on the other hand, I kind of want to see how this new memory link-up method between a 5xxx cpu and 6xxx gpu works out.

EDIT: Still curious about the performance comparison, but just remembered why I didn't do this sooner. I'm tired of all of my hardware being obsolete (AND not-upgradable) as soon as I buy it, and the next AMD CPU will be on AM5 socket, and the current doesn't support ddr5. This is why I still sport a 4790k... because there is no meaningful upgrade without having to buy a new MB. I need to wait until AM5 stuff is on the streets, before I build a new system.



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Re: Anybody have MAME benchmarks with a 5900 or 5950 cpu? new [Re: URherenow]
#393486 - 03/10/22 08:33 PM


> I was thinking of grabbing one of those to pair with my 6900XT video card... but I've
> been disappointed in the past (Athlon 2 era, I guess?) with AMD performance vs Intel.
> Now with the Yuzu emulator... I'm once again disappointed that I got the 6900XT
> instead of a 3080 or 3080ti or 3090...
>
> And on the other hand, I kind of want to see how this new memory link-up method
> between a 5xxx cpu and 6xxx gpu works out.
>
> EDIT: Still curious about the performance comparison, but just remembered why I
> didn't do this sooner. I'm tired of all of my hardware being obsolete (AND
> not-upgradable) as soon as I buy it, and the next AMD CPU will be on AM5 socket, and
> the current doesn't support ddr5. This is why I still sport a 4790k... because there
> is no meaningful upgrade without having to buy a new MB. I need to wait until AM5
> stuff is on the streets, before I build a new system.

taz-nz did benchmarks on a 5800X, that's the best we can do for you, I think.
https://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=392794
These benchmarks are also available on the John IV benchmark page for MAME 0.238 (on the far right). http://mameui.info/Bench.htm

Arbee has a recent-ish Ryzen but I forget what model.

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Re: Anybody have MAME benchmarks with a 5900 or 5950 cpu? new [Re: Stiletto]
#393490 - 03/11/22 01:21 AM


> Arbee has a recent-ish Ryzen but I forget what model.
>
> - Stiletto

I don't know about RB, but I've got a 3950X, which is two generations behind current (this is a Zen 2, and AMD are currently gearing up to ship the Zen 4 with socket AM5).

All I can say is that this little motherfucker absolutely screams through MAME compiles, and it's treated me very kindly when it comes to MAME-related performance, although I don't have any specific benchmarks.

Suffice it to say that at this point, AMD have been kicking Intel's ass into finally being competetive when it comes to single-threaded performance, so you have absolutely nothing to worry about when it comes to something like a Zen 4. It'll treat you well, and unless Intel pull something completely out of their collective ass, it'll be future-proof for a few years at the very least.



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Re: Anybody have MAME benchmarks with a 5900 or 5950 cpu? new [Re: MooglyGuy]
#393498 - 03/11/22 02:53 PM


But the bench numbers linked to by Stiletto are what I was worried about. The Intel benches kick the 5800x's ass all the way across the board. Hell, sf2 shows 1000FPS difference! I'd sure like to compile Atmosphere-nx a bit faster, but nowhere near as much as I want emulated MAME things to not burp and stutter.

Even more needed is faster emulation for Yuzu (Switch emulator). Metroid Dread is pretty damn sweet on the Switch, but you can bump up the frame rate in emulator, and that allows for some normally frame-perfect tricks to be done easier.



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Re: Anybody have MAME benchmarks with a 5900 or 5950 cpu? new [Re: URherenow]
#393500 - 03/11/22 03:14 PM


> But the bench numbers linked to by Stiletto are what I was worried about. The Intel
> benches kick the 5800x's ass all the way across the board. Hell, sf2 shows 1000FPS
> difference! I'd sure like to compile Atmosphere-nx a bit faster, but nowhere near as
> much as I want emulated MAME things to not burp and stutter...

That's the thing though, MAME is pretty much at the point where anything that even has a chance at running full speed will do so on just about any high-end system from the past 3 years.

It's important to keep in mind that the benchmarks are from power-up, which with some of the higher-end arcade systems, puts less load on MAME than actually driving the game itself. The bench runs are invariably an average, too. Neither Intel nor AMD are going to get you to 100% speed on most Naomi games, much less Aleck 64 or Chihiro games, or possibly even Model 3 once people start making the video hardware more accurate. Even if the benchmarks indicate that e.g. Sushi Bar will run over 100% speed, the most likely scenario is that it won't once the game gets past the initial power-on sequence.

The next-most-powerful systems are IT Eagle (Virtual Pool and the Golden Tee Fore! series), and Atari Vegas (the 3D Gauntlet games, Rush 2049, Road Burners, CART Fury, NBA Gold / Sportstation, War: Final Assault), and both are within the capabilities of relatively modern systems from either AMD or Intel.

The wild card here is particularly complex discrete games, or games with complex discrete audio. Something like Pong isn't really representative of just how hard the netlist system can beat on a CPU, and while Space Fury from the segag80v driver is there, there are other games (like Exidy's 'Star Fire') that can be pretty ugly when all of the different sound effects are running full-tilt.

The most important thing is to know exactly what you're planning on running with MAME, and what your other use cases are. Switch emulators, and emulators for other modern systems, are increasingly making decent use of multi-threading because it's actually worthwhile in those cases, since the systems themselves are modern enough to be multi-core or multi-threaded. If you're planning on doing PC gaming, then it's also worth noting that the games are starting to skew in a more heavily multithreaded direction.

At the end of the day you're already in a high enough performance tier that is (ironically) a bit of a wasteland when it comes to any MAME-supported titles that will be pushed past full speed, so you'd be better off focusing on what else you plan to do with the machine.



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Re: Anybody have MAME benchmarks with a 5900 or 5950 cpu? new [Re: MooglyGuy]
#393502 - 03/12/22 05:44 AM


Well, I've already mentioned Switch emulation. I do some PC gaming, to include VR. My 4790k is definitely showing its age though. My desktop doesn't even meet the requirements for Windows 11. A lot of enthusiasts cringe at new Windows versions, but my laptop plays nice with Win 11 and that makes me sad for my desktop. There's also VMs. I use Ubuntu and MacOS in a VM. Mostly just for compiling stuff though, so I guess more cores would benefit there. Provenance-emu is pretty damn sweet, so I like to build that for a non-jailbroken iPAD pro and even my iPhone.



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Re: Anybody have MAME benchmarks with a 5900 or 5950 cpu? new [Re: URherenow]
#393523 - 03/15/22 01:03 AM


> Hell, sf2 shows 1000FPS difference!

Minor correction: MAME benchmark results are in Percentage of Full Speed. So that's actually 1000%, not 1000FPS.

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Re: Anybody have MAME benchmarks with a 5900 or 5950 cpu? new [Re: URherenow]
#393524 - 03/15/22 03:42 AM


5950x
6900XT
32GB DDR4-3600 CL16
Windows 11

MAME .240
-bench 90
blitz 328.32%
starsldr 72.21%
mk4 293.77%
sf2 2590.00%
carnevil 281.50%
gauntdl 432.97%

This is also with multiple chrome tabs open, discord, battlenet, and world of warcraft running at the same time as mame.



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Re: Anybody have MAME benchmarks with a 5900 or 5950 cpu? new [Re: Reznor007]
#393527 - 03/15/22 05:33 PM


> 5950x
> 6900XT
> 32GB DDR4-3600 CL16
> Windows 11
>
> MAME .240
> -bench 90

This:

> starsldr 72.21%

Was a minor concern until you added:

> This is also with multiple chrome tabs open, discord, battlenet, and world of
> warcraft running at the same time as mame.

Here I was wondering if the "possible 10% performance loss" of Win 11 was showing. But maybe your background was having an impact.

(Continuing to hold off on that.)



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Re: Anybody have MAME benchmarks with a 5900 or 5950 cpu? new [Re: Reznor007]
#393528 - 03/16/22 02:32 AM


> This is also with multiple chrome tabs open, discord, battlenet, and world of
> warcraft running at the same time as mame.

To truly be helpful, I would recommend rerunning the tests without all of that loaded...
Thanks anyways!

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Re: Anybody have MAME benchmarks with a 5900 or 5950 cpu? new [Re: Stiletto]
#393529 - 03/16/22 05:11 AM


Reran all the stuff just now with nothing open at all, and included both 240 and 241 since i forgot to update my stuff last month.

.240
sf2 2805.19%
mk4 276.01%
blitz 366.59%
starsldr 70.72% (why slower with no other load? idk)
carnevil 293.35%
gauntdl 470.12%

.241
sf2 2783.83%
mk4 317.29%
blitz 369.34%
starsldr 72.06%
carnevil 298.89%
gauntdl 489.65%

And just for a fun test of multicore, 14 instances of mame on one screen. Sounds about as noisy as your typical late 90's arcade too. https://imgur.com/a/Ym3MZ3H


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