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Do these PC-10 games even exist?
#386084 - 05/04/20 05:30 PM


Over at MobyGames, someone noticed that an arcade platform for the NES Bomberman was submitted several years ago, which made me look it up and apparently this was never released? The source for the info was this flyer, which also mentions Lunar Ball (Lunar Pool) and Super Star Force (a Japan-only Famicom game.)

I removed the platform on the site, but it made me think... I remember there was a page that listed all the released and undumped games for the system, but I can't seem to find it anymore. Searching for these games brings up almost no info for them, other than a page that sells conversion hacks for the system.

So were these three games actually released or not? System 16 doesn't mention them, and neither does unMAMEd, I just wanted to get some confirmation from you guys.



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Re: Do these PC-10 games even exist? new [Re: Foxhack]
#386088 - 05/04/20 09:22 PM


> Over at MobyGames, someone noticed that an arcade platform for the NES Bomberman was
> submitted several years ago, which made me look it up and apparently this was never
> released? The source for the info was this flyer, which also mentions Lunar Ball
> (Lunar Pool) and Super Star Force (a Japan-only Famicom game.)
>
> I removed the platform on the site, but it made me think... I remember there was a
> page that listed all the released and undumped games for the system, but I can't seem
> to find it anymore. Searching for these games brings up almost no info for them,
> other than a page that sells conversion hacks for the system.
>
> So were these three games actually released or not? System 16 doesn't mention them,
> and neither does unMAMEd, I just wanted to get some confirmation from you guys.

Those are some of the many games that were advertised, but not released for PC-10. The only game released for PC-10 that is still undumped is ShatterHand.

There are other unreleased arcade games at Moby Games that could be removed including Battle Blaze https://www.mobygames.com/game/arcade/battle-blaze

Edited by Diet Go Go Fan (05/04/20 09:37 PM)



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Re: Do these PC-10 games even exist? new [Re: Diet Go Go Fan]
#386092 - 05/04/20 10:24 PM


> Those are some of the many games that were advertised, but not released for PC-10.
> The only game released for PC-10 that is still undumped is ShatterHand.

Thanks. Apparently there's an arcade platform for Lunar Ball too, I'll go ahead and remove it. I think I'll add this as trivia instead, are the only three games that were announced the ones I mentioned? (Bomberman, Lunar Ball and Super Star Force?)

> There are other unreleased arcade games at Moby Games that could be removed including
> Battle Blaze https://www.mobygames.com/game/arcade/battle-blaze

*smacks forehead* Ugh. Not sure how THAT got approved... sent back.

I guess I should just make it official. If any information on MobyGames is wrong, or we have pages for stuff that was never released, you can just yell at me and I'll look into it. I'm an approver / admin there under my more common name (Foxhack). I never changed it here 'cuz I'm lazy.



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Re: Do these PC-10 games even exist? new [Re: Foxhack]
#386104 - 05/05/20 11:57 PM


The other undumped NES based arcade games I know of are for Nintendo VS, and I'm not sure which ones were released. They are listed in the VS MAME driver https://git.redump.net/mame/tree/src/mame/drivers/vsnes.cpp

I found some things to change in the arcade section of Moby Games: unreleased games - Arrow Heads (an arcade prototype is known to exist, also cancelled for PS4 and XB1), Beavis and Butt-Head, Idol Game, Mad Motor, Sky Jaguar, The Goonies II, Bowling, Chase II, Mines, Swords.

Arcade versions of Fire & Forget II, and Pushover are probably unreleased; no copy of either has been found, just flyers.

Bertie the Brain, Nimrod, SFS Walletsize, Tennis For Two – platform is mainframe, not arcade.

Cabal, Bowl-o-Rama, China Gate, Idol Janshi Suchie-Pai III, Karian Cross, Pokemon Battrio, Q*Bert's Qubes (Q*Bert's Qubes pub is Gottlieb and Mylstar) – no publisher is listed.

I don't know if arcade is the best platform for Pokemon Snap Station.

Non-arcade errors: The Table Hockey is tagged as darts; Great Party Games is the European release of Rec Room Games; they are the same game, and the pages should be combined.



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Re: Do these PC-10 games even exist? new [Re: Diet Go Go Fan]
#386144 - 05/08/20 12:40 AM


> The other undumped NES based arcade games I know of are for Nintendo VS, and I'm not
> sure which ones were released. They are listed in the VS MAME driver
> https://git.redump.net/mame/tree/src/mame/drivers/vsnes.cpp

Thanks, I'll go over that and make the appropriate changes.

> I found some things to change in the arcade section of Moby Games: unreleased games -
> Arrow Heads (an arcade prototype is known to exist, also cancelled for PS4 and XB1),
> Beavis and Butt-Head, Idol Game, Mad Motor, Sky Jaguar, The Goonies II, Bowling,
> Chase II, Mines, Swords.

Idol Game, Mad Motor, Sky Jaguar, The Goonies II have had their platform removed.

Beavis and Butthead is an interesting case because while the game was never officially released, several location test copies of the games DO, one of them is shown on conventions and the other one is the one shown here. So while the game was never released in large quantities, it IS playable via legal (non-bootleggy) means, so... it counts for the site.

The same goes for Arrow Heads. It's technically legit because it was made for the college and can (or could) be played by anyone there. See this video.

Bowling, Chase II, Mines and Swords... seem to have gotten some sort of a release. AtariAge has photos of what appear to be instruction cards for coin-op versions released before the RCA Studio II versions. See this post quoted in the comments for these entries.

This is a very weird case and I'm asking the contributor about it to get that cleared up. This specific person's interest is very early computer and arcade games, as well as pong variants.


> Arcade versions of Fire & Forget II, and Pushover are probably unreleased; no copy of
> either has been found, just flyers.

These have been sent back.

> Bertie the Brain, Nimrod, SFS Walletsize, Tennis For Two – platform is mainframe, not
> arcade.

These are special cases because they were all available for play attrade fairs and other exhibitions, and created to be disassembled and reassembled at other places. So while they ARE mainframe games, they would count as arcade games because of how they were shown to the public.

That said I will discuss this with other staff members, and see what they think.

> Cabal, Bowl-o-Rama, China Gate, Idol Janshi Suchie-Pai III, Karian Cross, Pokemon
> Battrio, Q*Bert's Qubes (Q*Bert's Qubes pub is Gottlieb and Mylstar) – no publisher
> is listed.

That's weird, I'll look into those entries later.

> I don't know if arcade is the best platform for Pokemon Snap Station.

That's the only platform where it fits. It's the normal game with added features, that was not available to the general public, with special hardware, and only playable at specific locations.

> Non-arcade errors: The Table Hockey is tagged as darts; Great Party Games is the
> European release of Rec Room Games; they are the same game, and the pages should be
> combined.

Table Hockey: The 1973 release? It says Hockey here. Maybe someone fixed it. I've made a note about Great Party Games / Rec Room Games so someone can merge them.

Thank you!



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Re: Do these PC-10 games even exist? new [Re: Foxhack]
#386145 - 05/08/20 01:46 AM


The RCA games were location tested at a few malls in the mid 1970's, but not mass produced.

The hockey game that is tagged darts is https://www.mobygames.com/game/simple-1500-series-vol60-the-table-hockey



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Re: Do these PC-10 games even exist? new [Re: Foxhack]
#386150 - 05/08/20 10:07 AM


> These are special cases because they were all available for play attrade fairs and
> other exhibitions, and created to be disassembled and reassembled at other places. So
> while they ARE mainframe games, they would count as arcade games because of how they
> were shown to the public.

Not so in the case of Tennis for Two. To my knowledge, it was only exhibited in one location, at one particular laboratory, on one particular set of analog computer hardware.



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Re: Do these PC-10 games even exist? new [Re: MooglyGuy]
#386155 - 05/08/20 04:54 PM


> > These are special cases because they were all available for play attrade fairs and
> > other exhibitions, and created to be disassembled and reassembled at other places.
> So
> > while they ARE mainframe games, they would count as arcade games because of how
> they
> > were shown to the public.
>
> Not so in the case of Tennis for Two. To my knowledge, it was only exhibited in one
> location, at one particular laboratory, on one particular set of analog computer
> hardware.

Hmmm, so it was only at that one place? It might still fit because it's a "Game shown in an exhibition / museum". I'll talk it over with the folks there.



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Re: Do these PC-10 games even exist? new [Re: Foxhack]
#386166 - 05/10/20 03:32 AM


> > Not so in the case of Tennis for Two. To my knowledge, it was only exhibited in one
> > location, at one particular laboratory, on one particular set of analog computer
> > hardware.
>
> Hmmm, so it was only at that one place? It might still fit because it's a "Game shown
> in an exhibition / museum". I'll talk it over with the folks there.

It was essentially a recruitment device – taking an analog computer set up for solving ballistic weapon trajectories and making it do something that still looks cool to someone with no domain knowledge. It was supposed to make kids consider a career there. Kind of like how the Atari Bradley Trainer was put on free play at army recruitment centres.


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