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Sebiohazard
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Acorn BBC Model B - BIOS problem
#385134 - 01/30/20 02:37 PM


Good morning all !

I have a problem with the BIOS for the BBC Model B I have all the files but it does not want to start !



On the internet impossible to find other BIOS... how to proceed ?

Thanks best regards !



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Re: Acorn BBC Model B - BIOS problem new [Re: Sebiohazard]
#385135 - 01/30/20 02:50 PM


First of all if would be better to upgrade to the latest MAME version, then you'd need to find and download 'acorn8271.zip'



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Re: Acorn BBC Model B - BIOS problem new [Re: Osso1]
#385136 - 01/30/20 03:38 PM


Hello thank you for your reply !

I already have the file acorn8271.zip it is called bbc_acorn8271.zip very exactly...

It does not work...

Edited by Sebiohazard (01/30/20 03:39 PM)



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Re: Acorn BBC Model B - BIOS problem new [Re: Sebiohazard]
#385137 - 01/30/20 04:02 PM


The dnfs120-201666.rom was removed from bbcb.zip in MAME 0.216, so updating your MAME will solve that issue. Or you can copy dnfs120.rom from your bbc_acorn8271.zip into bbcb.zip.

You also have an incorrect checksum for saa5050, this was updated over a year ago so you need to find a newer saa5050.zip too.



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Re: Acorn BBC Model B - BIOS problem new [Re: Sebiohazard]
#385138 - 01/30/20 04:16 PM


rename it how it should be named. MAME won't find it if it's named bbc_acorn8271.zip.

EDIT: as Pernod said, just update to 0.217 and the problem will be solved.



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Re: Acorn BBC Model B - BIOS problem new [Re: Osso1]
#385139 - 01/30/20 04:50 PM


OK thank you for your advice I will try & keep you informed !



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Re: Acorn BBC Model B - BIOS problem new [Re: Sebiohazard]
#385149 - 02/01/20 01:51 PM


I downloaded the latest version of MAME but unfortunately I still get the same error message ?!




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Re: Acorn BBC Model B - BIOS problem new [Re: Sebiohazard]
#385150 - 02/01/20 02:22 PM


> I downloaded the latest version of MAME but unfortunately I still get the same error
> message ?!

So, shockingly, you have the wrong ROM set ?!

What do you want us to tell you? You don't have the right ROM set. Find the right one.



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Re: Acorn BBC Model B - BIOS problem new [Re: MooglyGuy]
#385152 - 02/01/20 02:53 PM


On the internet I can't find a BIOS for the BBC... can you give me a hint or a keyword to facilitate my research ?

Thank you !



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Re: Acorn BBC Model B - BIOS problem new [Re: Sebiohazard]
#385153 - 02/01/20 03:09 PM


We can't help you with contributory copyright infringement. If you're unable to find the relevant up-to-date ROM sets, that's pretty much on you.

For what it's worth, you might find something along the lines of a Dome of Pleasure where you can locate up-to-date ROM sets. A Pleasure Dome, if you will. Located in the co.uk domain, oddly enough.



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Re: Acorn BBC Model B - BIOS problem new [Re: MooglyGuy]
#385154 - 02/01/20 03:32 PM


What I don't understand is that in the documentation below I already have all the BIOS needed:

BIOS

Edited by Sebiohazard (02/01/20 03:33 PM)



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Re: Acorn BBC Model B - BIOS problem new [Re: Sebiohazard]
#385155 - 02/01/20 03:43 PM


> What I don't understand is that in the documentation below I already have all the
> BIOS needed:
>
> BIOS

Are you serious? Go to this URL: http://www.progettoemma.net/mess/

What does it say? What does it say?

"Systems updated to: MESS 0.161".

That's what it says.

You're using a website that lists the ROM requirements for a version of MAME - not even MAME, but a side project before it was even integrated into MAME - which is five years out of date.

Get serious and learn enough English that you can actually understand what people are telling you to do.



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Re: Acorn BBC Model B - BIOS problem new [Re: MooglyGuy]
#385156 - 02/01/20 04:16 PM


I do not speak English I use Google Translate sorry...

I read that MESS & MAME have merged, I don't understand...

Edited by Sebiohazard (02/01/20 04:17 PM)



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THIS --> Read Pernod's post about: Acorn BBC Model B new [Re: Sebiohazard]
#385159 - 02/01/20 07:39 PM



>I have a problem with the BIOS for the BBC Model B I have all the files but it does not
>want to start

Read Pernod's post.

*copied here for convenience*

Pernod explains and provides a solution in case you insist on running an older version of MAME

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Pernod's post

https://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/sh...part=1&vc=1

The dnfs120-201666.rom was removed from bbcb.zip in MAME 0.216, so updating your MAME will solve that issue. Or you can copy dnfs120.rom from your bbc_acorn8271.zip into bbcb.zip.

You also have an incorrect checksum for saa5050, this was updated over a year ago so you need to find a newer saa5050.zip too.
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You have been jumping around on different sites and running different versions of MAME.

Read this https://docs.mamedev.org/usingmame/aboutromsets.html

It will explain about roms sets.

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https://forums.bannister.org/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=116605#Post116605


Yes I said that I was under Windows 7 with MAME version 0.216... I am a beginner I do not understand much sorry..
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If you are just learning how to use MAME, stay with latest release. Stop trying to run different versions until you understand how MAME works.

The reason why the error message regarding rom dnfs120-201666.rom
is because you were using an older version of MAME (.214) and the rom set you had shown the error message was likely an already updated rom set for newer versions of MAME .216 or later.


Why was BIOS rom set changed? Maybe because of this particular update that Pernod had done back three months earlier in November of last year?


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https://github.com/mamedev/mame


https://github.com/mamedev/mame/commit/9f5f84272ecec6486a998cff6e46fdad9b73ae61

2019-11-05

bbc.cpp: Replaced ROM/RAM memory banks with handlers to allow access from internal expansion boards.
- Added slot interface for internal expansion boards.
- Added BBC Master cartridge slot interface to allow implementation of more complex cartridges, including Electron cartridge devices.
- Removed Sideways RAM configuration option, to be re-implemented as internal boards.
- Empty BBC Master cartridge sockets return video data on data bus.





ROM_START(bbcb)

- ROM_LOAD("dnfs120-201666.rom", 0x30000, 0x4000, CRC(8ccd2157) )
+ /* appropriate DFS will be inserted by fdc device */
+ //ROM_LOAD("dnfs120-201666.rom",
--




Use .216 or newer versions and that error message should not be appearing since you probably already have an updated BIOS rom set.



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Re: Acorn BBC Model B - BIOS problem new [Re: Sebiohazard]
#385168 - 02/02/20 05:03 PM


I downloaded the ROM set MAME 0.217 & I found the necessary files which are:

- bbcb.zip
- bbc_acorn8271.zip
- saa5050.zip


The machine works but has some garphic bugs ... too bad !


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