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A list of arcade-only romsets.
#383507 - 09/01/19 09:23 PM
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I'm trying to get a list of romsets that are purely arcade as I want to discard ROM's I'm not really interested in such as fruit machines, computers, pinball etc.
I've sussed out the 'ismechanical' flag and I have successfully removed these roms from my main romset via listxml.
However, there is no 'iscomputer' or 'isarcade' equivalent that I can see.
Does anyone know of a command where I can simply get the arcade roms and nothing else? Not too worried about the BIOS's etc. Just the main rom sets would be useful.
Thanks
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Re: A list of arcade-only romsets.
[Re: JonBoyRetro]
#383508 - 09/01/19 10:27 PM
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Re: A list of arcade-only romsets.
[Re: JonBoyRetro]
#383509 - 09/01/19 10:32 PM
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> I'm trying to get a list of romsets that are purely arcade as I want to discard ROM's
> I'm not really interested in such as fruit machines, computers, pinball etc.
> I've sussed out the 'ismechanical' flag and I have successfully removed these roms
> from my main romset via listxml.
>
> However, there is no 'iscomputer' or 'isarcade' equivalent that I can see.
>
> Does anyone know of a command where I can simply get the arcade roms and nothing
> else? Not too worried about the BIOS's etc. Just the main rom sets would be useful.
>
> Thanks
If you want only arcade games - you can make your binary as "SUBTARGET=arcade" which will do just that. If you are parsing out from the main XML a list, you could simply look for "Coin" entries in Dip Switches for a start.
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Re: A list of arcade-only romsets.
[Re: JonBoyRetro]
#383518 - 09/03/19 02:52 AM
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> I'm trying to get a list of romsets that are purely arcade as I want to discard ROM's
> I'm not really interested in such as fruit machines, computers, pinball etc.
> I've sussed out the 'ismechanical' flag and I have successfully removed these roms
> from my main romset via listxml.
>
> However, there is no 'iscomputer' or 'isarcade' equivalent that I can see.
>
> Does anyone know of a command where I can simply get the arcade roms and nothing
> else? Not too worried about the BIOS's etc. Just the main rom sets would be useful.
>
> Thanks
Note that the 'ismechanical' filter only applies to screenless games e.g. mechanical reel slots, British style fruit machines, pinball machines and games which only use lights for output (including LEDs and 7-segment displays), but not video poker, video slot machines or mahjong, since these games normally use regular old arcade machine hardware, usually a generation or two behind the arcade games because it's cheaper to manufacture.
I believe however that there is also a 'casino' filter (whether or not it's in MAME and/or the frontend in question) which can remove the remaining gambling games, as long as the games themselves fall under the casino category (I don't know if 'amusement only' poker games still fall under casino or not).
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Re: A list of arcade-only romsets.
[Re: Heihachi_73]
#383524 - 09/03/19 10:15 AM
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Thanks Heihachi_73, useful to know that!
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Re: A list of arcade-only romsets.
[Re: Tafoid]
#383525 - 09/03/19 10:20 AM
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Thanks Tafoid, I really just want to discard irrelevant ROM sets to save disk space  That 'coin' entry is a good tip. Thanks for that. Is it worthwhile suggestion to put some kind of tag against an entry to categorise it more specifically, I wonder? Something like, Gambling, arcade, pinball, computer etc.? Anyway, I have enough to go on now so cheers for that.
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Re: A list of arcade-only romsets.
[Re: BlackSabbath]
#383526 - 09/03/19 10:21 AM
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Fantastic BlackSabbath - looks to be a good site. Many thanks for that.
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Re: A list of arcade-only romsets.
[Re: JonBoyRetro]
#383527 - 09/03/19 12:13 PM
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Re: A list of arcade-only romsets.
[Re: Heihachi_73]
#383528 - 09/03/19 02:29 PM
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> Note that the 'ismechanical' filter only applies to screenless games e.g. mechanical
> reel slots, British style fruit machines, pinball machines and games which only use
> lights for output (including LEDs and 7-segment displays), but not video poker, video
> slot machines or mahjong, since these games normally use regular old arcade machine
> hardware, usually a generation or two behind the arcade games because it's cheaper to
> manufacture.
>
> I believe however that there is also a 'casino' filter (whether or not it's in MAME
> and/or the frontend in question)
It really should apply to games with inputs based on mechanical devices too, where there are actual moving parts. Games with moving cabinets (where the game can read the position to limit movement eg. AfterBurner) and force feedback wheels (that the game can set to a position and read back eg. GTI Club which even tests that on startup) really need tagging as mechanical too. Basically it should be used for 2-way cases, where a device is under the control of the system, but where there are external factors (device being used as a user controller input etc.) that mean it isn't in a guaranteed state.
I'd actually argue that the majority of the Fruit Machines should *not* carry the flag, as the 'mechanical' element is purely an output device. You could replace the logic on the PCB with a sub-board that processed the positional commands and digital display to show the reels and the game logic / behaviour would not change at all as it's unidirectional.
If we're talking single direction mechanical then even things like regular joysticks and coin mechs are 'mehcanical' and in that case you'd end up tagging everything.
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Re: A list of arcade-only romsets.
[Re: Haze]
#383535 - 09/04/19 02:38 AM
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> > Note that the 'ismechanical' filter only applies to screenless games e.g.
> mechanical
> > reel slots, British style fruit machines, pinball machines and games which only use
> > lights for output (including LEDs and 7-segment displays), but not video poker,
> video
> > slot machines or mahjong, since these games normally use regular old arcade machine
> > hardware, usually a generation or two behind the arcade games because it's cheaper
> to
> > manufacture.
> >
> > I believe however that there is also a 'casino' filter (whether or not it's in MAME
> > and/or the frontend in question)
>
> It really should apply to games with inputs based on mechanical devices too, where
> there are actual moving parts. Games with moving cabinets (where the game can read
> the position to limit movement eg. AfterBurner) and force feedback wheels (that the
> game can set to a position and read back eg. GTI Club which even tests that on
> startup) really need tagging as mechanical too. Basically it should be used for 2-way
> cases, where a device is under the control of the system, but where there are
> external factors (device being used as a user controller input etc.) that mean it
> isn't in a guaranteed state.
>
> I'd actually argue that the majority of the Fruit Machines should *not* carry the
> flag, as the 'mechanical' element is purely an output device. You could replace the
> logic on the PCB with a sub-board that processed the positional commands and digital
> display to show the reels and the game logic / behaviour would not change at all as
> it's unidirectional.
>
> If we're talking single direction mechanical then even things like regular joysticks
> and coin mechs are 'mehcanical' and in that case you'd end up tagging everything.
Yeah, it's easy to go overboard with the flags - the games with payout/ticket hardware (gambling or not) could easily fall under mechanical just because a mechanical coin hopper can spit out coins (or tokens), or the game can produce redemption tickets upon completion (World Class Bowling can be configured like that).
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Re: A list of arcade-only romsets.
[Re: AntoPISA]
#383544 - 09/04/19 09:53 PM
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Thanks AntoPISA, that's a really nice version! Shame that appear to have removed the -listxml option but I'm really liking this. Many thanks for the tip - appreciated.
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Re: A list of arcade-only romsets.
[Re: JonBoyRetro]
#383555 - 09/05/19 10:07 AM
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Re: A list of arcade-only romsets.
[Re: Robbbert]
#383556 - 09/05/19 12:45 PM
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Thanks Robbbert, I thought I'd tried the file option but will give it another try tonight. It's the file I really need and I can use that to exclude the unwanted files. Thanks for the tip.
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That 'coin' entry is a good tip. Thanks for that. Is it worthwhile suggestion to put some kind of tag against an entry to categorise it more specifically, I wonder? Something like, Gambling, arcade, pinball, computer etc.? Anyway, I have enough to go on now so cheers for that.
