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Newcomer here, here's my plans with my DU Donations.
#381449 - 03/10/19 01:57 AM
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Greetings. My name is James McKigney, I am an avid retro gamer who is hoping to make a living in the future and contribute money to Dumping Union with specific instructions for them if I decide to start donating.
First things first, I am planning on donating as soon as the job is obtained. When the job is obtained and the first check makes it in, I will go for the 300 Dollar level if possible.
My specific plan i am willing to share to the DU is the following:
1. The first few years of my DU Subscription goes to getting the entire Game & Watch collection dumped, scanned, and running on MAME. It will be a top priority until the entire Game & Watch Gallery is preserved.
2. Next up on the subscription plan, The Nintendo Mini Classics will be the next target to nab with the subscription. There are a few exclusives to the system that would need to be preserved such as the European exclusive Mini Classic "Tetris." That will be the next target until each and every one of them is preserved.
3. I am hoping that Hudson's controllers ("Joy Card Series") can be preserved as a connectable input for Mame. There are games that have hidden stuff that requires the controllers to unlock. Games such as the Bomberman Series, The Momotaro Dentetsu series and so on.
4. Get the Link Cable for the various handheld systems up and running.
5. I would aim my money towards getting Mr. Driller, Mr. Driller 2, Mr. Driller Great, Speed Racer and Star Trigon into running, playable condition from start to finish.
5a. this will also extend to getting Sega's Model 1, Model 2, Model 3, Naomi series, and other 90's, 2000's and Early 2010 arcade boards and game systems into working, playable (from start to finish) condition in MAME.
6. Get the entire library of the 90's, 2000's and early 2010's game systems into MAME's software lists. Both from Digital and Physical distributions and all the DLCs and updates for said games. Let's get them through any cost necessary.
After all of the list is said and done, let's discuss what's the next target on the crossfire. I will give the DU an email address to discuss what's next.
I hope that I can work hard and preserve as much of gaming history as humanly possible.
Is this a realistic plan? I hope to get my studies done thus getting a great job to pay the DU with these targets. Comment what you think and I'll get in contact with you.
I vow to abide by the rules and to be fair and also treat everybody as if they were me. Hope to see you soon and in the DU's credits
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Re: Newcomer here, here's my plans with my DU Donations.
[Re: JamesMcKofEclipse]
#381452 - 03/10/19 02:30 AM
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Re: Newcomer here, here's my plans with my DU Donations.
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#381453 - 03/10/19 02:39 AM
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> 1. The first few years of my DU Subscription goes to getting the entire Game & Watch
> collection dumped, scanned, and running on MAME. It will be a top priority until the
> entire Game & Watch Gallery is preserved.
There are many games that have already been purchased that are simply "in the pipeline," but not completed yet... it takes time to get to them all. If my math is correct, there are only nine left to acquire. Contact MooglyGuy regarding anything Game & Watch related... read the post linked below, and then keep in mind there are also more games already acquired that have not been announced yet:
http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/sho...part=1&vc=1
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Re: Newcomer here, here's my plans with my DU Donations.
[Re: JamesMcKofEclipse]
#381454 - 03/10/19 02:40 AM
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> and contribute money to Dumping Union with specific
> instructions for them if I decide to start donating.
The DU is very clear that unless they are raising funds for a specific thing to dump, they do not take requests/demands on what to do with donations, beyond put them towards dumpable acquisitions.
> 1. The first few years of my DU Subscription goes to getting the entire Game & Watch
> collection dumped, scanned, and running on MAME. It will be a top priority until the
> entire Game & Watch Gallery is preserved.
That is already well under way and not under the DU's purview, but mine. I, on the other hand, do accept requests. However, of the relatively limited number of Game & Watch handhelds left to acquire, they typically range in price from around $200 (for tabletop or panorama games) to $2000 (for crystal-screen games). Each.
> 2. Next up on the subscription plan, The Nintendo Mini Classics will be the next
> target to nab with the subscription. There are a few exclusives to the system that
> would need to be preserved such as the European exclusive Mini Classic "Tetris." That
> will be the next target until each and every one of them is preserved.
The Mini Classics are widely available on Tradera for the equivalent of around $50-60 each. I already have around five of them, including Tetris.
> 3. I am hoping that Hudson's controllers ("Joy Card Series") can be preserved as a
> connectable input for Mame. There are games that have hidden stuff that requires the
> controllers to unlock. Games such as the Bomberman Series, The Momotaro Dentetsu
> series and so on.
The MAME team has a policy of not taking requests, particularly in exchange for money.
> 4. Get the Link Cable for the various handheld systems up and running.
The MAME team has a policy of not taking requests, particularly in exchange for money.
> 5. I would aim my money towards getting Mr. Driller, Mr. Driller 2, Mr. Driller
> Great, Speed Racer and Star Trigon into running, playable condition from start to
> finish.
The MAME team has a policy of not taking requests, particularly in exchange for money.
> 5a. this will also extend to getting Sega's Model 1, Model 2, Model 3, Naomi series,
> and other 90's, 2000's and Early 2010 arcade boards and game systems into working,
> playable (from start to finish) condition in MAME.
The MAME team has a policy of not taking requests, particularly for money.
> 6. Get the entire library of the 90's, 2000's and early 2010's game systems into
> MAME's software lists. Both from Digital and Physical distributions and all the DLCs
> and updates for said games. Let's get them through any cost necessary.
The MAME team has a policy of not taking requests, particularly for money.
> After all of the list is said and done, let's discuss what's the next target on the
> crossfire. I will give the DU an email address to discuss what's next.
Considering your studies aren't yet complete, the phrase "putting the cart before the horse" leaps to mind.
> I hope that I can work hard and preserve as much of gaming history as humanly
> possible.
A noble goal.
> Is this a realistic plan?
No.
> I hope to get my studies done thus getting a great job to
> pay the DU with these targets. Comment what you think and I'll get in contact with
> you.
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> I vow to abide by the rules and to be fair and also treat everybody as if they were
> me.
How thoughtful.
Look, I'm just going to be frank, if it weren't for the amount of effort you spent writing this post, I would almost think that you're just taking the piss. Your studies aren't complete, you don't have a job yet, but you're vowing to stump up three hundred bucks a month to the DU. Not only that, it's readily apparent that you haven't done the slightest bit of research into the MAME team, the DU, or their respective policies before waltzing in like Mr. Big-Shot.
If this isn't just some joke, then I have to wonder, are you on the spectrum? I'm genuinely asking here, not trying to troll. As someone there myself, but with about 15 years more time of learning coping strategies, the overbearing tone of your post combined with the keen interest level absolutely screams it. It's like I'm looking into a time vortex, truth be told.
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Re: Newcomer here, here's my plans with my DU Donations.
[Re: MooglyGuy]
#381455 - 03/10/19 03:10 AM
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I'm sorry. I was jumping the gun here but I will vow to donate as soon as I get a steady stream of money after my job right after my studies.
I have aspergers syndrome but I am going to make sure that future generations can have our video heritage preserved in a future proof manner.
I thank you and I hope to do my absolute best. Feel free to ridicule me if you like. I can take it.
Edited by JamesMcKofEclipse (03/10/19 03:46 AM)
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Re: Newcomer here, here's my plans with my DU Donations.
[Re: JamesMcKofEclipse]
#381458 - 03/10/19 05:08 AM
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> I'm sorry. I was jumping the gun here but I will vow to donate as soon as I get a
> steady stream of money after my job right after my studies.
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> I have aspergers syndrome but I am going to make sure that future generations can
> have our video heritage preserved in a future proof manner.
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> I thank you and I hope to do my absolute best. Feel free to ridicule me if you like.
> I can take it.
I wasn't trying to ridicule you at all, and I apologize for my wording which most likely makes it sound that way. I was trying to be as direct as possible, but I believe I erred in that.
No, the reason why I asked if you were on the spectrum is because I am as well, and your post reminded me a lot of when I was (what I'm assuming to be) your age: Eager to help, enthusiastic about emulation, but at times jumping from point A to point Z without necessarily traversing all of the necessary points in between.
I've answered your PMs, but to give a general synopsis here, I think you have quite a noble goal in mind, and it's great to see someone else with such a raw passion for preservation. And more funding is always needed, particularly as prices trend upward due to availability trending downward over time. But instead of focusing on what you'd like to do at an indeterminate point in the future, why not focus on what you can currently do? There are so many different skill sets other than pure programming that can benefit MAME, and leveraging those skill sets is actually one of the MAME team's weaker points.
Best wishes.
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Re: Newcomer here, here's my plans with my DU Donations.
[Re: JamesMcKofEclipse]
#381459 - 03/10/19 06:30 AM
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Moogly already answered and explained a lot.
>and contribute money to Dumping Union
Dumping Union primarily deals with coinop / arcade pcbs instead of consoles, handhelds etc, but some members of Dumping Union have their own equipment and can make backups of roms with their own tools/equipment. When dealing with handheld or maybe specific 21st century game cartridges, the equipment and knowledge to know how to access internal roms gets much more involved. Very few (maybe 4 or 5 members of DU group) can do that type of work since it requires carefully removing epoxy resin and other protection that encases roms etc.
>the entire Game & Watch collection dumped, scanned, and running on MAME. It will be a top
>priority until the entire Game & Watch Gallery is preserved.
As others along with Moogly have indicated this is well underway. There are still other Nintendo Game and Watch that are still on the want list. And this is where you can help and contribute to Moogly if wanting to do so since it does cost money to either purchase "wanted" Game and Watch handhelds and also shipping them to someone that has equipment that can dump the roms. Contact Moogly.
I also keep a running post on MW forums and update the post when any G&W item gets supported.
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approximate G & W lists
http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/sho...part=1&vc=1
http://www.handheldmuseum.com/
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>The Nintendo Mini Classics will be the next target to nab with the subscription. There
>are a few exclusives to the system that would need to be preserved such as the European
>exclusive Mini Classic "Tetris." That will be the next target until each and every one
>of them is preserved.
Check with Moogly to see what he has and maybe purchase any others that are still needed.
Keep in mind that some of these items might require someone that has specific equipment that can handle dumping/extracting rom data. These probably have yet to be examined and determine how to dump the data from roms etc.
>I am hoping that Hudson's controllers ("Joy Card Series") can be preserved as a
>connectable input for Mame. There are games that have hidden stuff that requires the
>controllers to unlock. Games such as the Bomberman Series, The Momotaro Dentetsu series
>and so on.
This is also a specific hardware area that you will need find out if these controllers have roms that can be dumped.
To see what is still sought after, visit Undumped Wiki page and look over pages there, but keep in mind that consoles and computers and software pages are very preliminary.
https://mamedev.emulab.it/undumped/index.php?title=Main_Page
>getting Mr. Driller, Mr. Driller 2, Mr. Driller Great, Speed Racer and Star Trigon
src/mame/drivers/namcos12.cpp runs Mr Driller and is considered in working shape.
src/mame/drivers/namcos10.cpp The various Namco System 10 hardware games are heavily
protected and yet to be figured out at this time. This requires someone that has been able to figure out protection from other hardware platforms.
This source file is what runs some of the brands of lcd handheld games.
src/mame/drivers/hh_sm510.cpp
>Get the entire library of the 90's, 2000's and early 2010's game systems into MAME's
>software lists.
Settle for one specific xml hash file of your favorite hardware unit whether it is for computer or console.
mame/tree/hash
look over the various .xml files to see which is your favorite. Some of the stuff might already be completed while others such as Apple II floppy hash files have a long ways to go.
>Is this a realistic plan?
Start smaller. Maybe settle for helping donate money specifically to Moogly for cost and expenses regarding the remaining Nintendo G & W handhelds? Or try and help with any of the wanted Nintendo Mini Classics? Those would be more realistic imo.
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Re: Newcomer here, here's my plans with my DU Donations.
[Re: JamesMcKofEclipse]
#381473 - 03/10/19 11:54 PM
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That sounds very nice. But as someone further along in life let me recommend you look before you leap.
Get yourself setup and going before you start donating large sums of money. What you are talking about in some cities in the US is a full months rent once per year (where I live it would cover 2). Depending on some peoples view it would be a car payment per month. You may not be able to swing that. You have no idea what your job will be or pay. You may have some ideas. But life does not always work that way.
Just floating this out there but you may have been conditioned to think 'a small payment per month' is not a bad thing. Always take whatever 'small payment' and multiply it by 12. That is what you would be paying per year. For example humble bundle has a 12 dollar a month plan (hey thats cheap you think). Until you realize it is 144 per year or 1440 over 10. Is that item still worth the rent you are paying on it? It is a psychological trick that works very well on almost everyone.
I know you are excited. We all get that way sometimes. But sit back think it through and do a bit of math and see if you still want it.
Start small. Trust me. I have 1000 bucks worth of astronomy equipment. Because I got excited and payed for it. Never use it... Thousands of dollars of phones, computers, consoles, games, etc. Rarely used. Start small see if you like it. If so work up to more. Another bit of advice. Promise small and over deliver. People are mad when you over promise and under deliver but they are wildly happy the other way around. Pretty much every time. You have probably over promised.
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Re: Newcomer here, here's my plans with my DU Donations.
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#381479 - 03/11/19 09:27 PM
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To be clear though, Sean Riddle is on the DU and he seems to be the only person on the planet who dumps handheld game epoxy blobs for mame. He might be only 1 person but he's 100% of the dumping of all the blobs I think for most handhelds/game and watch. Klaus and ClawGrip have done some with LeapPad etc. Also on the DU.
The biggest issue with DU buying specific things is finding them. It's not a big deal to buy some handheld with someone's money, it's that they need to find the item for sale themselves. Arcade heads on the DU aren't going to spend hours and hours their time finding games they aren't interested in, because that isn't fun and this is a hobby, not work.
People can also just buy the undumped games themselves and send them in, maybe even straight to Sean.
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Re: Newcomer here, here's my plans with my DU Donations.
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#381480 - 03/11/19 09:37 PM
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> To be clear though, Sean Riddle is on the DU and he seems to be the only person on
> the planet who dumps handheld game epoxy blobs for mame. He might be only 1 person
> but he's 100% of the dumping of all the blobs I think for most handhelds/game and
> watch. Klaus and ClawGrip have done some with LeapPad etc. Also on the DU.
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> The biggest issue with DU buying specific things is finding them. It's not a big deal
> to buy some handheld with someone's money, it's that they need to find the item for
> sale themselves. Arcade heads on the DU aren't going to spend hours and hours their
> time finding games they aren't interested in, because that isn't fun and this is a
> hobby, not work.
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> People can also just buy the undumped games themselves and send them in, maybe even
> straight to Sean.
Most of the recent Game & Watch work hasn't actually been done by Sean
The user with the 'hal3000' account on bannister has been taking care of those
https://forums.bannister.org/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=97003&page=308
Sean is going to have a busy period where there aren't many dumps starting with almost immediate effect anyway. We've got a decent stockpile of TV games to analyze / get through at the moment (I've been searching every day for specific ones, variants etc.) I'll likely do another post when we want to start sourcing some more of those :-)
Outside Tiger and Game & Watch a lot of the handhelds we have no way to process at the moment, they're MCU types where bits aren't visible, and no electronic dump process is known. Some of the earlier TV games also seem to be single blob MCUs with internal ROM that we can't dump.
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Re: Newcomer here, here's my plans with my DU Donations.
[Re: Smitdogg]
#381488 - 03/12/19 02:25 AM
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> People can also just buy the undumped games themselves and send them in, maybe even
> straight to Sean.
Which reminds me I was supposed to send him a thing and completely forgot. Eheh. :|
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Re: Newcomer here, here's my plans with my DU Donations.
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#381498 - 03/12/19 06:07 PM
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Re: Newcomer here, here's my plans with my DU Donations.
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#381531 - 03/14/19 03:11 PM
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>The biggest issue with DU buying specific things is finding them.
Yep. It's up to him, original poster, to do that work.
>People can also just buy the undumped games themselves and send them in
Re: the remaining wanted G&W items, it is probably easier to donate money to Moogly instead since Moogly knows what is needed and knows what to search for.
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