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Was the writer/director of The Last Jedi trolling us?
#372161 - 12/22/17 04:33 AM


So, I finally saw The Last Jedi. I don't want to spoil anything but the only possible explanation for this movie is that the writer/director Rian Johnson was trolling us and nobody at Disney noticed.



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Re: Was the writer/director of The Last Jedi trolling us? new [Re: krick]
#372163 - 12/22/17 04:53 AM


> So, I finally saw The Last Jedi. I don't want to spoil anything but the only possible
> explanation for this movie is that the writer/director Rian Johnson was trolling us
> and nobody at Disney noticed.

Yes, it was complete shit. I mean I could've loved it for being different, but I disliked it for being poorly written, badly paced, and including some unnecessary characters that actively detracted from the experience. That's in addition to plot holes large enough to drive a truck through.

Yeah, I saw the 12:30AM Friday Night showing and the theater served alcohol, but I found it funny how a couple people in the audience were straight-up laughing while a few others shouted out "WTF" "WTF" during the Superman returns/Mary Poppins Leia scene.

No one clapped or applauded when the movie was over.

This is the very first of the Star Wars movies where it didn't "Feel" like Star Wars at all. After the first 10 minutes of the Casino thing, I'm thinking to myself 'What the fuck am I watching here?' Good thing we got Rogue One before this steaming pile of crap. Now that's how you do Star Wars with new characters.


With TLJ you take away the Space stuff and all the space blasting and you have some generic story that could be anything.


Many things about TFA had me excited for the new movie and for what might comes next. After watching TLJ what is there to care about when it comes to E9? I'm certainly not excited to see what becomes of Kylo and Rey.

I didn't buy a ticket and wait 2 years to see Marvel crap!

These posts are gold and sum things up pretty well.

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1144960

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1145259



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Re: Was the writer/director of The Last Jedi trolling us? new [Re: B2K24]
#372164 - 12/22/17 04:58 AM


> This is the very first of the Star Wars movies where it didn't "Feel" like Star Wars
> at all. After the first 10 minutes of the Casino thing, I'm thinking to myself 'What
> the fuck am I watching here?' Good thing we got Rogue One before this steaming pile
> of crap. Now that's how you do Star Wars with new characters.

Rogue One was a steaming pile of crap for completely different reasons.



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Re: Was the writer/director of The Last Jedi trolling us? new [Re: krick]
#372165 - 12/22/17 05:04 AM


> Rogue One was a steaming pile of crap for completely different reasons.

R1 was beautiful. A true masterpiece. I loved all of the characters as well as the story. The Vader scene at the end was worth it alone.

It did exactly what it was supposed to do. It provided you with a Star Wars experience as well as informed you of events surrounding everything pre-ANH

It didn't have casinos and breast milk. I'm not sure why anyone would have a problem with R1.



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Re: Was the writer/director of The Last Jedi trolling us? new [Re: B2K24]
#372168 - 12/22/17 05:22 AM


> > Rogue One was a steaming pile of crap for completely different reasons.
>
> R1 was beautiful. A true masterpiece. I loved all of the characters as well as the
> story. The Vader scene at the end was worth it alone.
>
> It did exactly what it was supposed to do. It provided you with a Star Wars
> experience as well as informed you of events surrounding everything pre-ANH
>
> It didn't have casinos and breast milk. I'm not sure why anyone would have a problem
> with R1.

The Vader scene at the end was one of the reasons that I disliked Rogue One. It didn't need to be there. They didn't need to literally connect the end of Rogue One to the original trilogy. They should have left Vader and that creepy CG Tarkin out of the film.

I really liked the look and feel of Rogue One and I see what they were going for (i.e. an homage to classic war films) but there were massive problems with weak characters with weak motivations. I honestly didn't give a shit about any of them except for the robot. Much of Rogue One felt like that pointless casino side plot in The Last Jedi to me. I really feel like there was probably a good war movie there before all the re-shoots. The trailer looked really good but 80% of it ended up getting cut out of the movie.



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Re: Was the writer/director of The Last Jedi trolling us? new [Re: krick]
#372185 - 12/22/17 02:03 PM


> > > Rogue One was a steaming pile of crap for completely different reasons.
> >
> > R1 was beautiful. A true masterpiece. I loved all of the characters as well as the
> > story. The Vader scene at the end was worth it alone.
> >
> > It did exactly what it was supposed to do. It provided you with a Star Wars
> > experience as well as informed you of events surrounding everything pre-ANH
> >
> > It didn't have casinos and breast milk. I'm not sure why anyone would have a
> problem
> > with R1.
>
> The Vader scene at the end was one of the reasons that I disliked Rogue One. It
> didn't need to be there. They didn't need to literally connect the end of Rogue One
> to the original trilogy. They should have left Vader and that creepy CG Tarkin out of
> the film.
>
> I really liked the look and feel of Rogue One and I see what they were going for
> (i.e. an homage to classic war films) but there were massive problems with weak
> characters with weak motivations. I honestly didn't give a shit about any of them
> except for the robot. Much of Rogue One felt like that pointless casino side plot in
> The Last Jedi to me. I really feel like there was probably a good war movie there
> before all the re-shoots. The trailer looked really good but 80% of it ended up
> getting cut out of the movie.

There gonna be more spin offs. Just watch. Remember this isn't the 70s and 80s anymore. Some will be shit and others be good.



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Probably not. SJW'ism IS cancer... Edit: Links to reviews. new [Re: krick]
#372191 - 12/22/17 06:28 PM


> So, I finally saw The Last Jedi. I don't want to spoil anything but the only possible
> explanation for this movie is that the writer/director Rian Johnson was trolling us
> and nobody at Disney noticed.


I don't plan on seeing it. If I ever do, it'll be a long time from now, but I doubt it.

Anyway, I have watched at least 2 reviews on it on YouTube. From Pewdiepie, and The Thinkery (Sargon of Akkad).

Not gunna get into any details (either). If I did, that might land this topic into the Smitty vs Tom forum.



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yes new [Re: krick]
#372205 - 12/23/17 04:01 AM


Why would you pay 4 billion for a product with a built-in fan base and then take a shit on those fans? It's baffling.





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Re: Was the writer/director of The Last Jedi trolling us? new [Re: krick]
#372211 - 12/23/17 06:29 AM


You can go ahead and spoil it. What is the troll? I'm not going to see it for a while if everyone says it's garbage so I'd rather just hear the scoop.



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Re: Was the writer/director of The Last Jedi trolling us? new [Re: Smitdogg]
#372213 - 12/23/17 07:31 AM


The whole fucking movie is the troll. There's so many reasons that I lost count. If you've seen The Force Awakens, you know that they've set up some "mysteries" that need to be resolved in future films. Well this film flushes every fucking one of them down the toilet. There's a bunch of Marvel-style bad jokes and visual gags that don't land and are always delivered at inappropriate times. Poe makes a crack about Hux's mother. Luke milks a sea creatures tit and sloppily drinks the green milk like a whore with cum dripping down her chin. Leia does a Mary Poppins routine. Spaceships that "drop" bombs... in space... where there's no gravity. There's a reference to the Star Wars parody "Hardware Wars". Evil BB-8. A pointless 40 minute sub-plot on a Monaco-like casino planet with too much CG that looks like the whole thing was a deleted scene from The Phantom Menace. I think Phasma gets even LESS time in this movie than the last. We don't find out anything about Snoke and we never will. Actually, we don't find out much of anything about anyone. After 2.5 hours, the movie basically ends up right where it started except now almost everyone is dead and the people who are left can comfortably fit in the Millenium Falcon.

Honestly, even if I described exactly what happens and spoil it for everyone else, you're not going to believe me. You need to see it for yourself. I can't believe that Disney actually let this thing get made. It looks great, the acting is great, and the dialogue is good... but the movie doesn't make any sense except as a giant middle finger to the viewer. It's like everything in the movie had to be a "twist" and the twist was "fuck you".

I think the biggest problem is that it's clear now that NOBODY at Disney/Lucasfilm had a vision for what this trilogy was going to be about. Usually, when you plan a three movie arc, you map out some of the larger plot points so that it creates a compelling story and creates a cohesive whole. They're just making it up as they go, one film at a time and it shows in the end product. Frankly, I'm shocked. They've got the Marvel movies planned out for the next 10 years but they can't plan out three Star Wars movies?

There's lot of people who are unhappy with this movie and the media/press is trying to spin it like we're a bunch of disgruntled basement dwellers who are upset because we "don't like change". That narrative is absolutely false. The problems with this movie have everything to do with story, plot, pacing, and character motivation. It honestly feels the screenplay was the first draft and it was written by someone who had never seen any of the Star Wars movies. It really felt like it could have used a few more drafts of the script to tighten it up and a once-over by basically ANYONE to give a second opinion on all the dumb shit that somehow made it into the movie.



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Re: Was the writer/director of The Last Jedi trolling us? new [Re: krick]
#372219 - 12/23/17 08:30 AM


> The whole fucking movie is the troll.

Perfectly stated in its entirety - every single thing JJ set up, Rian set on fire.



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Re: Was the writer/director of The Last Jedi trolling us? new [Re: krick]
#372220 - 12/23/17 08:45 AM


OK say you have to pick which is worse, The Last Jedi or The Phantom Menace?



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Re: Was the writer/director of The Last Jedi trolling us? new [Re: Smitdogg]
#372221 - 12/23/17 09:30 AM


> OK say you have to pick which is worse, The Last Jedi or The Phantom Menace?

The Phantom Menace is still far worse.



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Re: Was the writer/director of The Last Jedi trolling us? new [Re: Smitdogg]
#372222 - 12/23/17 09:31 AM


> OK say you have to pick which is worse, The Last Jedi or The Phantom Menace?

Everyone seems to hate the prequels where they'd rather be set on fire than to actually sit through them.

I didn't think they were all that bad honestly.

At least Adywan released his version of TPM where it cut out the terrible pink tint to it which made most of the skies and clouds purple and all the Tatooine scenes pink.

Anyway, TLJ is the worse crap ever released. If someone had a 4K torrent of it online right now, I wouldn't even be tempted to leech it. Yes, it's that freaking terrible.

The only way it's worth seeing is if you go in blazed as hell with a bunch of friends and you'll be laughing your asses off at how terrible and bad the actual release is.

It's been a week since I've seen it and I'm still shocked at how bad the movie is. I can't believe it made it out of release the way that it is.



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Re: Was the writer/director of The Last Jedi trolling us? new [Re: B2K24]
#372226 - 12/23/17 01:21 PM


> > OK say you have to pick which is worse, The Last Jedi or The Phantom Menace?
>
> Everyone seems to hate the prequels where they'd rather be set on fire than to
> actually sit through them.
>
> I didn't think they were all that bad honestly.
>
> At least Adywan released his version of TPM where it cut out the terrible pink tint
> to it which made most of the skies and clouds purple and all the Tatooine scenes
> pink.
>
> Anyway, TLJ is the worse crap ever released. If someone had a 4K torrent of it online
> right now, I wouldn't even be tempted to leech it. Yes, it's that freaking terrible.
>
> The only way it's worth seeing is if you go in blazed as hell with a bunch of friends
> and you'll be laughing your asses off at how terrible and bad the actual release is.
>
> It's been a week since I've seen it and I'm still shocked at how bad the movie is. I
> can't believe it made it out of release the way that it is.

George Lucas would've told Disney to strap it and then start over. Not only that. He would've told them this isn't a Peter Pan movie. LOL



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Re: Was the writer/director of The Last Jedi trolling us? new [Re: krick]
#372232 - 12/23/17 03:59 PM


I agree with absolutely everything you said.

They are trying to remove the longtime Star Wars fans from their fan base and trying to please more casual movie goers.

I can't believe this production was allowed to go on as it is. There is nothing left of interest left to discover or wonder about in this trilogy. None of it matters any longer.

It is very apparent they haven't thought out the story over the 3 movies at all and they are just coming up with shit on the fly. I really don't see the need for an Episode 9 now there is nothing to resolve.



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Re: Was the writer/director of The Last Jedi trolling us? new [Re: krick]
#372248 - 12/23/17 09:33 PM


https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/201...s/#290f7d2d355c

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Re: Was the writer/director of The Last Jedi trolling us? new [Re: cyberdman]
#372249 - 12/23/17 09:51 PM


> They are trying to remove the longtime Star Wars fans from their fan base and trying
> to please more casual movie goers.

That's what people are saying, but I don't really agree with that. I just think the writing and planning on The Last Jedi was shitty and done by someone who doesn't understand Star Wars.



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Re: Was the writer/director of The Last Jedi trolling us? new [Re: krick]
#372260 - 12/24/17 04:01 AM


> > They are trying to remove the longtime Star Wars fans from their fan base and trying
> > to please more casual movie goers.
>
> That's what people are saying, but I don't really agree with that. I just think the
> writing and planning on The Last Jedi was shitty and done by someone who doesn't
> understand Star Wars.

I don't see why you're at all surprised/shocked. Shitting on source material is pretty much what Disney does. Look at Jungle Book and Peter Pan - they both bear very little resemblance to the stories they're purportedly based on. Disney is all about making relatively bland, inoffensive films that are good for merchandising.



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Re: Was the writer/director of The Last Jedi trolling us? new [Re: krick]
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Re: Was the writer/director of The Last Jedi trolling us? new [Re: krick]
#372365 - 12/26/17 10:48 AM


> > OK say you have to pick which is worse, The Last Jedi or The Phantom Menace?
>
> The Phantom Menace is still far worse.

I disagree. I left both feeling like it was nice they were still trying to make Star Wars films, but they hadn't succeeded in making one for me. However I accept that I'm not the target audience, far more so now than for episode 1.

What really irks me about 7 & much more so with 8 is how we were teased with a luke/leia/han/chewbacca/c3po/r2d2 reunion. They could have shown 3 hours of them trying to relive their youth while dealing with the effects of aging and I would have loved it.

There was 1 brief scene with leia and han in 7 and 2 brief scenes with luke, one with leia and one with r2d2, in 8. I don't want to hate it, but I think they managed to compete with midichlorians and darth vaders NOOOOOOOOOO for worst star wars ever.

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#372366 - 12/26/17 10:50 AM


> Why would you pay 4 billion for a product with a built-in fan base and then take a
> shit on those fans? It's baffling.

Because the money is in the toys and the kids don't care about the same things we do.

Plus ego and incompetence.



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Re: Was the writer/director of The Last Jedi trolling us? new [Re: krick]
#372367 - 12/26/17 10:59 AM


> The Vader scene at the end was one of the reasons that I disliked Rogue One. It
> didn't need to be there. They didn't need to literally connect the end of Rogue One
> to the original trilogy. They should have left Vader and that creepy CG Tarkin out of
> the film.

The only problem with Tarkin is that the person who did his voice is an actor on a british medical soap opera, so I spent the whole time thinking "why is Mr Hanssen from Holby building a Death Star?" Similar to watching The Empire Strikes back and thinking "hello Mr Bronson from Grange Hill", but he dies quite quickly.

However I hated Vader, they should have used one of the beaten up Vader costumes that remain. Then have him behave like he did in Episode 4, just strolling around doing a few force chokes. Instead of some insane Death Blossom style attack.

The CGI Leia was very poorly done. The film plodded along like it was setting up characters for a sequel and then all the new characters get killed off.

Edited by John Doe (12/26/17 11:01 AM)



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Re: Was the writer/director of The Last Jedi trolling us? new [Re: smf]
#372371 - 12/26/17 10:19 PM


I haven't seen this latest film but for me, even worse than the NOOOO was Anakin in TPM saying stuff like "I wonder what this button does" (I cringe up when I even think of the scene, has to be the laziest Star Wars writing ever).



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it was garbage (spoilers) new [Re: krick]
#372462 - 12/29/17 05:37 AM


i may use these notes i jotted down after seeing it to someday write an article.

here’s my bullet list of what i hated;


sw ep8 issues

expository dialogue (stalling, escaping, etc). over half of the “dialogue” in this movie is the characters explaining to the audience what’s happening. egregious scripting that reads like scene footnotes. this is cinema; use cinema to tell the fucking story. INCESSANTLY treats the audience as if they are too stupid to understand what’s happening onscreen.

deus ex machina/repeated solutions/cameos resolving almost all conflicts (m.falcon, luke, chewy, rey). constant inexplicable character appearances resolve most plot tension. little investment/carry.

carrie fisher - platitudes, zero impact, nothing to do/say. entire inclusion feels like an homage/farewell. massively ineffective char usage. pitiable. it honestly looks like the film had to use the least awful of her performances in every scene she’s in. the space ghost scene was bizarre and added nothing to the character or world-building and felt completely out of place.

tone establishment. constant edits of hamill welling with tears amidst slapstick comedy doesnt work. film doesnt understand how to use comic relief or carry tone. most of the jokes are horrible and cringe-worthy. you honestly have to be trying extremely hard to not dislike the film to laugh at most of the attempted humor. the poe scene on the intercomm with the mom jokes was AWFUL. the physical humor is bad; the bb8 riding the at-at felt silly and forced; reminded me of the car chase in “indiana jones-crystal skull”. finn in the leaky water suit at the beginning... i kept asking myself if that was intended to be funny or what.

contradictory themes - finn is stopped from sacrificing himself because “love wins”, but laura dern sacrifices herself and the film treats it with reverence. this movie feels like it doesn’t know what it wants to say. several examples of this. amatuerish handling of themes.

no new relatability or conceptual exploration, and when it does try, the original films have already done a much better job than everything attempted here. only the novelty of new scenarios/tech/creatures (battering ram, monsters, etc) feel like the only somewhat meaningful contribution.

overly self-aware/referrential. again, almost no film tenet establishment of its own. 4th wall (rey joking about force-moving rocks, etc).

reverence of characters relies on knowledge of older movies. resting on laurels. the main characters do almost nothing despite their constant and overly dramatic appearances.

hilariously one-dimensional villians (and heroes). throwaway characters. snoke was exceptionally disposable and little motivation was given for his character. cgi target dummy. again, amateur scripting here.

side characters are handled awfully hamfisted (asian girl with fen, del toro, etc). new ensemble is cookie cutter, simplified, & immediately forgettable. the finn side-quest in the casino was utter throwaway, did zero for the story, cgi-riddled, and felt like something ripped straight from “phantom menace”. horrendous pacing/relevence issues here.

another thing that was obvious is they went out of their way to avoid sjw backlash. every creed, color, race, gender, religion, etc was represented and the movie made sure you realized it. the xwing pilot reveal edits looked like a jc penny catalog cover. it felt like there were more women pilots and officers than men.

glaring technical issues - newton’s law of motion, the rebel ship doesn’t need to burn fuel in order to maintain its speed. the bombers “dropped” bombs on the dreadnought when there’s no gravity or “down” in space. bleh...

this movie conjures up zero emotional investment by itself. every bit of potential adherence it might command relies on the original series’ strength. paint-by-numbers ‘action’ movie that is clearly molded by screen tests for max palability and lackluster canon extension.

almost all plot setups from the previous films get shit on - snoke, rey’s family, phasma, luke’s seclusion, etc. all shat on in absurdly uninteresting manner. it’s clear that this isn’t a film amidst a well-developed trilogy plotline; they are now just winging the story one movie at a time. terrible.



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#372463 - 12/29/17 05:58 AM


i usually don’t nitpick technical/physics in movies, but come’on...

the rebel ship doesn’t have to burn fuel to maintain their speed in space. i feel like newton’s laws of motion should be well-known enough these days to sidestep these issues.




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haha nice!! new [Re: krick]
#372464 - 12/29/17 06:04 AM


i’m just now reading this after my post above. looks like you and i feel the same here.



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Re: it was garbage (spoilers) new [Re: jopezu]
#372611 - 01/01/18 03:41 AM


My wifes impression:
"was this supposed to be funny?"
"what the hell is going on?"
"The story does not make any sense, who the hell is this guy what does he have to do with what was going on?"
"I am going outside for a smoke."
"do you want another pop?"
"no one noticed I was snoring did they?"
"is it over yet"
"why are they fighting yet again? It does not make any sense."
"this popcorn sucks did they make it yesterday?"

As for me:
My issues were it was about 30 mins too long. The story was all over the place. Then they moved the snoke conflict too soon in the story. Then one of the late themes in the movie was 'let go of the old' and clearly made it owned by 'the bad guys' then they did just that with pretty much everything in the established lore even things from the 'new series'. So when they blow up the falcon in the 3rd one I will not be surprised.

Most of all it was kinda boring. With some interesting battle set pieces. The tension was kind of 'meh'. If I still wore a watch it would have been checked many times during viewing. SW2 was the last time I did that. The other 7 people I saw it with said it was 'kinda boring'.

my rating? Wait for it on rental.



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Re: it was garbage (spoilers) new [Re: jopezu]
#373114 - 01/15/18 10:49 AM


> glaring technical issues - newton’s law of motion, the rebel ship doesn’t need to
> burn fuel in order to maintain its speed. the bombers “dropped” bombs on the
> dreadnought when there’s no gravity or “down” in space. bleh...

Seriously? Have you seen any Star Wars ever? Ridiculous physics, ridiculous tactics and pityful targeting systems has always been there. Star destroyers falling down on the death star when hit, remember? Always a planet around reachable at sublight speeds in a short time? Engines at the back and turning on the wings (whether the ship has wings or not for the matter)? It's *always* been there.

Amusingly, since they're *not* in orbit (hint: they're geosynced over the base which is not over the equator) and are staying up there by magic means, the gravity is actually perceptible (but the fall direction is complicated :-).

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