Click or be square, and I don't know maybe you have your reasons for being square, maybe you were assaulted by a circle. Maybe you were raped by a trihexagon, I GET IT YOU HAVE YOUR REASONS.
Hog Wild... ...another PC in the cab... ...another MAME candidate for 2100 Anno Domini... end of sarc./ Now serious : Someone should develop "PlayMAME" build for these kind of games (generally PC based) until they become playable in official MAME build, so we could play them rather than just collect them. Just a thought.
> Now serious : Someone should develop "PlayMAME" build for these kind of games > (generally PC based) until they become playable in official MAME build, so we could > play them rather than just collect them. Just a thought.
If there's "MAME" in the name, then it is expected to be MAME-derived.
Any emulator/simulator that can simply "load" a PC-based arcade game, and not emulate it as MAME does, would be largely NOT MAME-derived simply due to how it operates.
Therefore, whatever this so-called emulator would be (it would not be a true emulator as we understand the word), it shouldn't be called "PlayMAME" or anything related to "MAME" as it would not be based off of MAME.
What? Not sure I follow. With the merger with MESS, there are plenty of systems that do just that. In MAME. Right now.
Edit: I was thinking more along the lines of computer systems... But even arcade machines have been categorized into systems (cps2, etc...) since forever and in several cases, simply dropping in the .chd info is enough to play new games. So still confused... ╿︡O͟-O︠╿
Just broke my personal record for number of consecutive days without dying!
You can "drop" roms and CHDs because you are dealing with software in interchangeable disks, cartridges etc. that shares identical, standardized hardware; but in MAME (and formerly MESS) this standardized hardware is emulated, while a tool to play PC-based games with decent performance would be a loader that runs the games natively on a real PC, not an emulator. Tools of this sort already exist for Taito Type X, Taito type X2, Nesica and several other minor PC-based arcade platforms; they'd only need an appropriate file system driver to execute MAME-style CHD archives instead of loose files.
> What? Not sure I follow. With the merger with MESS, there are plenty of systems that > do just that. In MAME. Right now. > > Edit: I was thinking more along the lines of computer systems... But even arcade > machines have been categorized into systems (cps2, etc...) since forever and in > several cases, simply dropping in the .chd info is enough to play new games. So still > confused... ╿︡O͟-O︠╿
Well he was suggesting that the games be run natively which has no relevance to MAME and wouldn't be using any MAME components, so calling anything that does that 'MAME' wouldn't make sense as there wouldn't likely be a shred of MAME in it.
Yeah, MAME fully emulates some PC systems, but the recent MegaTouch games which are 486/Pentium era are pushing the limits of that right now.
> What? Not sure I follow. With the merger with MESS, there are plenty of systems that > do just that. In MAME. Right now. > > Edit: I was thinking more along the lines of computer systems... But even arcade > machines have been categorized into systems (cps2, etc...) since forever and in > several cases, simply dropping in the .chd info is enough to play new games. So still > confused... ╿︡O͟-O︠╿
In MAME, x86-based CPUs are emulated. This inherently has significant overhead.
In MAME, the video processors and sound processors that PC-based arcades have would also be emulated. This also has significant overhead.
Just for point of reference: At the moment, the most performant game-oriented PC emulator is probably PCem. It is capable of emulating (approx.) a 333 MHz Pentium II based PC (with a Voodoo2 and/or S3 graphics) on a 4.0 GHz Intel i7 processor. MAME could possibly be in this ballpark performance-wise, if Win9x-era PC emulation was a focus right now. And we're talking _barely_ full-speed, probably some frameskipping.
Some of the "PC-based arcade hardware" we're talking about is more in the 1.0GHz or 2.0GHz range for their original "host" CPU. To emulate this in MAME's style would never be playable, now or in the immediate future.
The only way to make 1.0GHz or 2.0GHz processor "emulation" be playable, now, is simply not to emulate at all but execute natively, either by using a virtual machine with hardware virtualization support, or simply to write a filesystem loader and run the games natively in a derivative of their host OS.
The MAME framework does not currently allow (nor is likely to allow) for native execution, which would be the only way to get "playable" speeds. This might include virtualization type technologies like Intel VT and AMD-V virtualization hardware extensions. The MAME framework will NEVER allow for "loader"-type native execution, because it's not portable, and doesn't match our design goals.
Even if you got that far, there'd still be significant hardware changes from the original "arcade PC" hardware. The graphics card wouldn't be the same, the sound card wouldn't be the same.
What CTOJAH is asking about is more like a loader (like exists for the Taito Type X hardware). This would not be "accurate emulation" as MAME considers things. It would also not be portable to various CPU architectures and platforms (such as ARM/Android). It would be designed quite differently to MAME. Therefore it would never be part of MAME or called MAME.
>Yeah, MAME fully emulates some PC systems, but the recent MegaTouch games which are >486/Pentium era are pushing the limits of that right now.
I agree. The MegaTouch hardware is probably the most advanced yet out of the current arcade games emulation with pc type hardware being used. iirc the other games were using either a 80286 or 80386 cpu and a simpler pcb for video output.
> Hog Wild... ...another PC in the cab... ...another MAME candidate for 2100 Anno > Domini... end of sarc./ > Now serious : Someone should develop "PlayMAME" build for these kind of games > (generally PC based) until they become playable in official MAME build, so we could > play them rather than just collect them. Just a thought.
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