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Which type of set do you prefer (T7Z-Merged) or (Torrentzipped-split) ?
#347093 - 11/17/15 05:23 AM
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CONS of (T7Z-Merged)
1. Is that emulator take longer to scan your roms when you first load your roms in the emulator after updating to a new set.
PROS of (T7Z-Merged)
Saves space but hell whats 20GB anyway these days.
PROS of (Torrentzipped-split) is that when you update your roms with clrmamepro it's much faster.
Other then those reasons I can't think of any others off the top of my head.
I'm asking these questions cause I was thinking about trying merged sets but not sure, hopefully I won't regret it. But wanted to ask other people opinions. If I would have to guess split is more popular but don't know why.
Which type of set do you prefer and why ?
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Re: Which type of set do you prefer (T7Z-Merged) or (Torrentzipped-split) ?
[Re: MKFAN]
#347111 - 11/17/15 08:01 AM
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I prefer Torrentzipped-split for the softlist stuff but ROMs
definitely T7Z-Merged is way better because of the file organization where clone files are tucked away and sorted into their own sub folders.
I enjoy the reduced file count and organization much better than CMP working a little bit faster processing stuff once a month. It's not really a big deal for me.
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Re: Which type of set do you prefer (T7Z-Merged) or (Torrentzipped-split) ?
[Re: B2K24]
#347116 - 11/17/15 04:21 PM
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> I prefer Torrentzipped-split for the softlist stuff but ROMs
> definitely T7Z-Merged is way better because of the file organization where clone
> files are tucked away and sorted into their own sub folders.
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> I enjoy the reduced file count and organization much better than CMP working a little
> bit faster processing stuff once a month. It's not really a big deal for me.
So why don't like your softlist stuff also T7Z-Merged ?
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Re: Which type of set do you prefer (T7Z-Merged) or (Torrentzipped-split) ?
[Re: MKFAN]
#347118 - 11/17/15 05:24 PM
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> > I prefer Torrentzipped-split for the softlist stuff but ROMs
> > definitely T7Z-Merged is way better because of the file organization where clone
> > files are tucked away and sorted into their own sub folders.
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> > I enjoy the reduced file count and organization much better than CMP working a
> little
> > bit faster processing stuff once a month. It's not really a big deal for me.
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> So why don't like your softlist stuff also T7Z-Merged ?
For compatibility reasons.
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Re: Which type of set do you prefer (T7Z-Merged) or (Torrentzipped-split) ?
[Re: MKFAN]
#347125 - 11/17/15 09:24 PM
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I prefer split sets. Merged sets are a nightmare to maintain. Like you said, 20GB of extra space is nothing.
Split sets is cleaner and far easier to handle. And I'm speaking from experience handling MAME ROMs.
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Re: Which type of set do you prefer (T7Z-Merged) or (Torrentzipped-split) ?
[Re: MKFAN]
#347131 - 11/18/15 02:06 AM
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Mine winzip split. I too think it makes for a cleaner set.
Used to run merged but back in the day of manual mame rom handling it was much easier to split the parents/clones and update that way, yep i have been around that long (pre clrmamepro).
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Re: Which type of set do you prefer (T7Z-Merged) or (Torrentzipped-split) ?
[Re: CiroConsentino]
#347160 - 11/19/15 02:15 AM
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Sounds like you guys top reason is that it takes much longer to update/maintain a merged set with clrmamepro then just using split set.
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Re: Which type of set do you prefer (T7Z-Merged) or (Torrentzipped-split) ?
[Re: MKFAN]
#347165 - 11/19/15 04:00 AM
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> Sounds like you guys top reason is that it takes much longer to update/maintain a
> merged set with clrmamepro then just using split set.
The initial conversion took a number of hours, but updating your set on a monthly basis is pretty much the exact same as long as your CMP 7Z settings are optimized.
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Re: Which type of set do you prefer (T7Z-Merged) or (Torrentzipped-split) ?
[Re: B2K24]
#347181 - 11/19/15 03:26 PM
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Split sets for various reasons but mainly because merged sets take much longer to load.
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Re: Which type of set do you prefer (T7Z-Merged) or (Torrentzipped-split) ?
[Re: MKFAN]
#347182 - 11/19/15 03:54 PM
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I stick with the merged sets, it's very useful for dev work.
The way Clrmame organizes things these days is that clone roms go within sub folders in the zip (7z), this means that if I open up a file I can easily see which ROMs are unique to each clone etc. it also means if i'm working with a hex editor and comparing new sets with existing dumps using a hex editor* I only have to have a single zip open with the old roms, and a zip with the new ones rather than having multiple windows open all over the screen.
* if we end up with a set that's encrypted, or has a different data arrangement this can be handy
also Windows seems to be getting worse and worse at handling folders with a huge number of files in them (I already have to be careful to tell it not to index any of my source tree folders because otherwise the machine periodically comes to a crawl) so the merged set, by having less files in the folder works better there too. Windows 10 seems worse than ever for this, there are times it maxes out the disk I/O and I *still* haven't worked out what it's doing (often when doing -aviwrite from MAME to the folder that MAME is in, with indexing disabled, it ends up choking the MAME aviwrite process with something from 'system')
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Re: Which type of set do you prefer (T7Z-Merged) or (Torrentzipped-split) ?
[Re: MKFAN]
#347184 - 11/19/15 05:54 PM
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> Which type of set do you prefer and why ?
Split sets are best for dev, especially dev on non-Windows. That way if I submit something and I want to work on it further but it's been Troha'd it's usually not too bad to reconstruct the set MAME wants.
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Here on what I do with my sets.
[Re: MKFAN]
#347186 - 11/19/15 08:05 PM
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I do merge sets. Zip those up using the clrmamepro. Drop those zips into the trrntzip64 for a repacking smaller size. I use a frontend to find the clones. Risk free here and less work. Recommended.
I stop using the T7Z for a reason. The reason is the softwarelist and sometimes the clrmamepro will damage the T7Z when repacking the ROM's. If you want to use the T7Z instead of ZIP. That is a lot of work on repacking and there is a risk chance to corrupted your sets. torrent7z can check your sets for a corrupted T7Z. Good luck on this part. There always a risk. Not Recommended.
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> I do merge sets. Zip those up using the clrmamepro. Drop those zips into the
> trrntzip64 for a repacking smaller size. I use a frontend to find the clones. Risk
> free here.
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> I stop using the T7Z for a reason. The reason is the softwarelist and sometimes the
> clrmamepro will damage the T7Z when repacking the ROM's. If you want to use the T7Z
> instead of ZIP. That is a lot of work on repacking and there is a risk chance to
> corrupted your sets. torrent7z can check your sets for a corrupted T7Z. Good luck on
> this part.
While using merged with zip will reduce the file count and keep your clones and files organized. You won't benefit from the space saving of 7-zip compression.
I'm not sure what is taking place on your system, but I've never had any problems like you describe.
If you ever go back to T7Z make sure your 7z.exe is 9.28a version and you're using optimized settings in your CMP
settings/compressor/7Z
The idea here is to rebuild with CMP using 0 compression because T7Z has to decompress the archive in order to re-compress it for processing. So it's not optimal for CMP to provide any type of compression when rebuilding because T7Z will take care of that after your CMP is done rebuilding/scanning.
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Re: Here on what I do with my sets.
[Re: B2K24]
#347192 - 11/19/15 08:39 PM
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> While using merged with zip will reduce the file count and keep your clones and files
> organized. You won't benefit from the space saving of 7-zip compression.
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> I'm not sure what is taking place on your system, but I've never had any problems
> like you describe.
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> If you ever go back to T7Z make sure your 7z.exe is 9.28a version and you're using
> optimized settings in your CMP
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> settings/compressor/7Z
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> The idea here is to rebuild with CMP using 0 compression because T7Z has to
> decompress the archive in order to re-compress it for processing. So it's not optimal
> for CMP to provide any type of compression when rebuilding because T7Z will take care
> of that after your CMP is done rebuilding/scanning.
Well I done this before. Ether the older clrmamepro had a issue on the ret7zing or my old system (Which I don't have anymore) couldn't handle it very well many years ago. Plus it was so damn slow/freezing on ret7zing back then. I guest I can try again on this much better machine. But the softwarelist don't support it. I will leave the softwarelist alone.
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Re: Which type of set do you prefer (T7Z-Merged) or (Torrentzipped-split) ?
[Re: R. Belmont]
#347202 - 11/20/15 07:59 AM
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> Split sets are best for dev, especially dev on non-Windows. That way if I submit something and I want to work on it further but it's been Troha'd it's usually not too bad to reconstruct the set MAME wants.
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[Re: MKFAN]
#347271 - 11/22/15 10:35 AM
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Re: Which type of set do you prefer (T7Z-Merged) or (Torrentzipped-split) ?
[Re: MKFAN]
#347272 - 11/22/15 12:35 PM
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Re: Which type of set do you prefer (T7Z-Merged) or (Torrentzipped-split) ?
[Re: Robbbert]
#347287 - 11/22/15 07:22 PM
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>>I made my own rom manager with the special abilities that I require (no, you can't have a copy).<<
I wish I made my own. 
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Drop the zips into the 7z.exe for repacking into .7z.
After the clrmamepro scanning. I use this command for repacking the .7z.
t7z --batch "E:\MAME\roms" *.7z
pause
I didn't find any issues on this fast computer. Using 64-bit 7-Zip 9.28a. Was hard to find 32 and 64. They removed those from their website.
Never mind about making a new thread. Post the files here.
Forgot to post the link to the torrent7z files. http://sourceforge.net/projects/t7z/
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Drop the softwarelist roms folders on top of the trrntzip or trrntzip64 for repacking.
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Re: Which type of set do you prefer (T7Z-Merged) or (Torrentzipped-split) ?
[Re: Robbbert]
#347293 - 11/22/15 10:28 PM
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> Now to MAME, CRC's are more important than filenames, thus my roms are all
> renamed to their CRC codes.
I think you just gave Troha a coronary 
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Re: Which type of set do you prefer (T7Z-Merged) or (Torrentzipped-split) ?
[Re: Traso]
#347334 - 11/23/15 06:40 PM
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> > Split sets are best for dev, especially dev on non-Windows. That way if I submit
> something and I want to work on it further but it's been Troha'd it's usually not too
> bad to reconstruct the set MAME wants.
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> Brian Troha?
It's an affectionate term for "you add a set and someone reparents it out from under you".
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Re: Which type of set do you prefer (T7Z-Merged) or (Torrentzipped-split) ?
[Re: Stiletto]
#347335 - 11/23/15 06:43 PM
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> > Now to MAME, CRC's are more important than filenames, thus my roms are all
> > renamed to their CRC codes.
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> I think you just gave Troha a coronary
It's uniquely bad for non-MAME emulators that don't load-by-CRC too.
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Re: Which type of set do you prefer (T7Z-Merged) or (Torrentzipped-split) ?
[Re: R. Belmont]
#347338 - 11/23/15 10:59 PM
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Re: Which type of set do you prefer (T7Z-Merged) or (Torrentzipped-split) ?
[Re: R. Belmont]
#347345 - 11/24/15 06:52 AM
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> > > Split sets are best for dev, especially dev on non-Windows. That way if I submit
> > something and I want to work on it further but it's been Troha'd it's usually not
> too
> > bad to reconstruct the set MAME wants.
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> > Brian Troha?
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> It's an affectionate term for "you add a set and someone reparents it out from under
> you".
Ahhh. I obviously still don't know the background....
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[Re: Robbbert]
#347347 - 11/24/15 07:12 AM
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Wow, they updated 7-zip.....
[Re: Dullaron]
#347360 - 11/24/15 08:51 AM
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Um, 32 and 64 are at the top of the page.
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Re: Wow, they updated 7-zip.....
[Re: Traso]
#347367 - 11/24/15 09:21 PM
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> Um, 32 and 64 are at the top of the page.
One problem. Are those stable like these old ones?
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Re: Wow, they updated 7-zip.....
[Re: Dullaron]
#347372 - 11/25/15 03:22 AM
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> > Um, 32 and 64 are at the top of the page.
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> One problem. Are those stable like these old ones?
They are the official release versions - rather than the "under development" alpha or beta versions.
I've been using both here for a couple of days. All OK so far ....
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