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HELP!
#344212 - 08/19/15 08:26 PM


Okay, I'm probably completely stupid, in addition to being a relative noob, but I could really use some help. I've spent close to 12 hours trying to figure out how to use MAME/MESS without any luck. Let me clarify that. I've been using MAME to run arcade game roms for a good year. I am trying to expand my library to include some games I used to play (and legitimately own) for the Atari 800. I think I had a passable understanding of MAME a year ago, but I've been using the Maximus Arcade frontend since then, and I'm not sure I remember everything. I have searched and searched for explanations and help, but haven't found anything useful. Everything I have found is either totally basic and doesn't tell me enough, or written for someone who already understands the system well.

Here's where I am:
It is my understanding that the program formerly known as MESS has been incorporated into MAME. I have MAME64 0.156 installed and working fine on both my laptop and my cab. If I understand correctly, in order to emulate a computer (such as an Atari 800), I need first to put the system roms in the "Roms" folder for MAME. So I downloaded a800.zip and dropped it in D:\Console\Mame\Roms. Then, if I understand correctly, I can just type "Mame64 a800" to simply open the atari 800 emulator in "Memo".

When I type "Mame64 a800", I get "Unknown system 'a800'" and a list of games that begin with "a". If my somewhat spotty memory serves me correctly, there is a file somewhere that contains a list of ALL the available MAME roms, the specifics of each rom, and a name you can use to launch that rom, and I am guessing the Atari 800 roms aren't in that file. Am I correct so far?

It is also my understanding that there are game lists that contain all the roms available for each system and the specifics for each rom, as well as a name you can use to launch the rom, and that these files go in the "Hash" folder. I found a800.xml, which appears to contain the info for a whole lot of Atari 8-bit cartridges? and a800_flop, which appears to contain the info for a single game executable. I downloaded both and installed them in the HASH directory, but I can't see that there is info for the game "Hacker" or the game "Fooblitzky" in either file. I have seen numerous posts about what sound like complete a800_flop.xml file lists, but I can't find one anywhere. They all just contain "Jumpman." In the documentation, I saw how to add games to the a800_flop.xml, so I thought I would just do that, but I have no idea about the technical numbers like the checksum for "Hacker" or "Fooblitzky," and I have searched everywhere and cannot seem to find that information, either.

The funny thing is, I downloaded and installed MESSUI64, and I can launch that program, choose Atari 800 (NTSC), click the "Media View" tab, mount the Fooblitzky.zip file as a floppy, then click the SW Files and Fooblitzky.atr appears, and I can run it. So the problem obviously isn't my computer, it's just my lack of knowledge. Can someone please help me understand all this? Sorry to be so lengthy, but I figured the more info you have, the more likely I am to get the right help.

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Re: HELP! new [Re: jjensen6823]
#344213 - 08/19/15 08:53 PM


IIRC MAME and MESS have been fused from 0.161 onwards, so it's no surprise you can't launch a800 in MAME 0.156.



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Re: HELP! new [Re: jjensen6823]
#344216 - 08/19/15 10:08 PM


As Osso points out 0.156 is pre-merge, so yeah, it's not going to have a800

the a800 software lists are also incomplete as you observe (just Jumpman in a placeholder list IIRC) but if you actually get a current version of MAME you can use it exactly like you used the MESS build you had, with the loose files.



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Re: HELP! new [Re: Osso1]
#344221 - 08/19/15 10:55 PM


Wow. Guess I should have thought of that. Okay, now I can get into the Atari 800 emulator, and it runs whatever I mounted in MESSUI. Is there a way to mount and unmount floppies from the command line? Because I may be an idiot, but I can't figure out how to do it.



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Re: HELP! new [Re: Haze]
#344222 - 08/19/15 10:59 PM


Unfortunately, I didn't use MESS before the merge, so I am not sure what you mean by "loose files", unless you are talking about each games individual files. If I understand the documentation correctly, I should be able to type:

MAME65 a800 -flop1 Fooblitzky.something

and it would load, but I'm not sure what that something is. I tried .atr, which is the file extension on the only file inside the zip, and I tried .zip, too. What am I missing?



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Re: HELP! new [Re: jjensen6823]
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Re: HELP! new [Re: Robbbert]
#344226 - 08/20/15 02:17 AM


Thank you so much! That got it working. In fact, I found that I didn't really need to unzip the file or put it in quotes, I just needed the full path, including the .atr or .zip.

One strange thing, though. The first time I successfully launched it, it was pointing to fooblitzky.atr, but Hacker launched! I went into MESSUI64 and unmounted all drives, and then all was good.

Thanks again!



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Re: HELP! new [Re: jjensen6823]
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Re: HELP! new [Re: Robbbert]
#344239 - 08/20/15 01:39 PM


> > One strange thing, though. The first time I successfully launched it, it was
> pointing
> > to fooblitzky.atr, but Hacker launched! I went into MESSUI64 and unmounted all
> > drives, and then all was good.
> >
> > Thanks again!
>
> That's a problem I've noticed of late... the command line often won't mount the
> chosen file if something else was there before. You need to unmount the old stuff
> first. I believe this to be a core bug. Perhaps Tafoid can investigate this further,
> if he happens to read this.

it's a bug I've only really seen mention in regards to MESSUI mind you, so maybe MESSUI is setting something that causes the issue.



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Re: HELP! new [Re: Haze]
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Re: HELP! new [Re: Robbbert]
#344251 - 08/20/15 09:47 PM


> All MESSUI does is write the software to load, into the game's ini file, then tells MAME to run the game. MAME reads the ini file and so loads the software. It's up to the core to clear the old entry if the user chooses some other software via command line.


I think this is an ooold bug, as I recall something like this with Vectrex years ago. I haven't bothered with MESS in an age.



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Re: HELP! new [Re: jjensen6823]
#344256 - 08/20/15 11:22 PM


> Wow. Guess I should have thought of that. Okay, now I can get into the Atari 800
> emulator, and it runs whatever I mounted in MESSUI. Is there a way to mount and
> unmount floppies from the command line? Because I may be an idiot, but I can't figure
> out how to do it.

When you are under MAME, press Scroll Lock, it should display a message saying "Mode : PARTIAL Emulation" and "UI : Enabled".

The press TAB, and go to the File Manager to change your disc/cart/tape, etc...

Press ESC as many times it's necessary to go back to the main emulation screen (not one time more, BE CARREFUL that under Partial Emulation, pressing ESC under the emulation screen will LEAVE MAME), then press Scroll Lock one time to go back to "Mode : FULL Emulation" where you can use the machine normally.


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