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Catlist 0.158 out !
#336699 - 02/05/15 11:58 AM
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The updated category/genre/version ini files for usage with Frontends and MAMEUI are finally ready, thanks to the work of Scuore and Swos
http://www.progettoemma.net/
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thanks a lot!! [nt]
[Re: etabeta]
#336700 - 02/05/15 01:00 PM
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: etabeta]
#336701 - 02/05/15 02:04 PM
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There seems to be a bunch of incorrect entries in the Catlist Version.ini file. Examples of such incorrect entries are:
[.157] geforce_7600gs i82875p_overflow
[.158] SEGA315_5838 intel_28f320j5
Those four examples I listed are obviously not existing ROMs. I'm sure there are other incorrect entries, but I didn't have the time to go through the whole Catlist.
EDIT: These errors also exist in other Catlist files, not just the Version.ini. There are hundreds of these errors. Look at the Genre.ini. Incorrect entries such as:
m4madmnc__r m4madmnc__s m4madmnc__t m4madmnc__u m4madmnc__v m4madmnc__w etc....
EDIT 2: I just realized that many of these types of incorrect entries also existed in the previous Catlist files. I'm not sure why.
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Big Karnak]
#336702 - 02/05/15 02:19 PM
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> There seems to be a bunch of incorrect entries in the Catlist Version.ini file. > Examples of such incorrect entries are: > > [.157] > geforce_7600gs > i82875p_overflow > > [.158] > SEGA315_5838 > intel_28f320j5 > > Those four examples I listed are obviously not existing ROMs. I'm sure there are > other incorrect entries, but didn't have the time to go through the whole Catlist.
not sure what you mean: those are devices which were added in those versions, and now they appear in the listxml output. they are ROMless, but also pong is...
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: etabeta]
#336703 - 02/05/15 02:44 PM
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Yea, I just realized that. My bad. I had thought that the only entries that were supposed to be listed in the Catlist files were "All Games". I didn't know that devices and other stuff were supposed to be included in the Catlist files since they don't show up in the emulator's user interface.
For example, in MAMEUI if you try searching for entry SEGA315_5838 in the Version > [.158], it won't be displayed. Nor will it be displayed under "All Games". So I had thought that it was a mistake to include such entries in the Catlist files since it doesn't get displayed.
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: etabeta]
#336707 - 02/05/15 07:47 PM
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Thank you and welcome back. I think there are some errors in catver.ini (English version), here the list:
ar_spot=Tabletop / Othello barata=Not Classified ddz=Not Classified eggsplc=Not Classified eztouch=Not Classified funkball=Not Classified gvrxpsup=Not Classified gvrxpsys=Not Classified hideseek=Not Classified hostinv=Not Classified hyperv2=Not Classified hyperv2a=Not Classified invqix=Shooter / Gallery lhzb3=Not Classified lhzb4=Not Classified megat=Casino mgavegas=Fruit Machines mgavegas133=Fruit Machines mgavegas21=Fruit Machines missilex=Not Classified mushi2k5=Not Classified newufo=Fruit Machines newufo_nfl=Fruit Machines newufo_sonic=Fruit Machines newufo_xmas=Fruit Machines odeontw2=Not Classified orbatak=Not Classified peivc006=Casino peset001=Casino peset004=Casino peset038=Casino popn1=Rhythm / Dance popn2=Rhythm / Instruments popn4=Rhythm / Dance popn6=Rhythm / Dance popn8=Rhythm / Dance popnanm2=Rhythm / Dance quickjac=Not Classified revlatns=Not Classified rgum=Not Classified sectionz=Shooter / Flying Horizontal sectionza=Shooter / Flying Horizontal spaceod=Shooter / Flying Horizontal spaceod2=Shooter / Flying Horizontal spcwarp=Not Classified startrks=Shooter / Gallery ufo21=Fruit Machines ufo800=Fruit Machines ufomini=Fruit Machines westdrm=Fruit Machines wontmuch=Not Classified xfilesk=Puzzle / Match *Mature* yorizori=Not Classified
Should be:
ar_spot=Tabletop ### It seems but it is not Othello barata=Misc. ckidzo=Ball & Paddle ### This one lacks in your file ddz=Puzzle / Cards eggsplc=Misc. eztouch=Misc. funkball=Puzzle gvrxpsup=Misc. gvrxpsys=Misc. hideseek=Casino hostinv=Shooter / Gun hyperv2=Misc. hyperv2a=Misc. invqix=Multiplay ### Space Invaders is "Shooter / Gallery" but Qix is "Puzzle / Outline" so this is a Multiplay lhzb3=Tabletop / Mahjong lhzb4=Tabletop / Mahjong megat=Multiplay ### This is a Multiplay as the other "Pit Boss Megatouch" releases mgavegas=Electromechanical - PinMAME ### I'm pretty sure this is a pinball mgavegas133=Electromechanical - PinMAME ### I'm pretty sure this is a pinball mgavegas21=Electromechanical - PinMAME ### I'm pretty sure this is a pinball missilex=Shooter / Gallery mushi2k5=Misc. newufo=Misc. ### This is not a "Fruit Machines" it is a claw machine newufo_nfl=Misc. ### This is not a "Fruit Machines" it is a claw machine newufo_sonic=Misc. ### This is not a "Fruit Machines" it is a claw machine newufo_xmas=Misc. ### This is not a "Fruit Machines" it is a claw machine odeontw2=Multiplay *Mature* orbatak=Sports peivc006=Misc. ### This is just an utility chip not a real game peset001=Misc. ### This is just an utility chip not a real game peset004=Misc. ### This is just an utility chip not a real game peset038=Misc. ### This is just an utility chip not a real game popn1=Rhythm ### The "Pop'n Music" games are just "Rhythm" games. You don't dance nor you use an instrument popn2=Rhythm ### The "Pop'n Music" games are just "Rhythm" games. You don't dance nor you use an instrument popn4=Rhythm ### The "Pop'n Music" games are just "Rhythm" games. You don't dance nor you use an instrument popn6=Rhythm ### The "Pop'n Music" games are just "Rhythm" games. You don't dance nor you use an instrument popn8=Rhythm ### The "Pop'n Music" games are just "Rhythm" games. You don't dance nor you use an instrument popnanm2=Rhythm ### The "Pop'n Music" games are just "Rhythm" games. You don't dance nor you use an instrument quickjac=Casino revlatns=Quiz / English rgum=Casino sectionz=Shooter / Flying ### In "Section Z" and "Space Odyssey" you start the game flying horizontal but after the first boss it scrolls vertical sectionza=Shooter / Flying ### In "Section Z" and "Space Odyssey" you start the game flying horizontal but after the first boss it scrolls vertical spaceod=Shooter / Flying ### In "Section Z" and "Space Odyssey" you start the game flying horizontal but after the first boss it scrolls vertical spaceod2=Shooter / Flying ### In "Section Z" and "Space Odyssey" you start the game flying horizontal but after the first boss it scrolls vertical spcwarp=Shooter / Gallery startrks=Maze / Shooter Small ### It doesn't seem a "Shooter / Gallery" you shoot in a maze without scrolling so it should be a "Maze / Shooter Small" ufo21=Misc. ### This is not a "Fruit Machines" it is a claw machine ufo800=Misc. ### This is not a "Fruit Machines" it is a claw machine ufomini=Misc. ### This is not a "Fruit Machines" it is a claw machine westdrm=Misc. ### This is not a "Fruit Machines" it is a coin pusher wontmuch=Rhythm xfilesk=Puzzle / Match ### This is the censored version of "The X-Files" so it is not "Puzzle / Match *Mature*" yorizori=Misc.
pong=.146u1 ### You forgot to add Pong to the version list.
Do you agree?
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Big Karnak]
#336714 - 02/06/15 07:27 AM
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> Yea, I just realized that. My bad. I had thought that the only entries that were > supposed to be listed in the Catlist files were "All Games". I didn't know that > devices and other stuff were supposed to be included in the Catlist files since they > don't show up in the emulator's user interface. >
no problem. it could have been a real issue, so I appreciate the report anyway > For example, in MAMEUI if you try searching for entry SEGA315_5838 in the Version > > [.158], it won't be displayed. Nor will it be displayed under "All Games". So I had > thought that it was a mistake to include such entries in the Catlist files since it > doesn't get displayed.
I think it depends on the settings of your frontend/UI. On QMC2 I'm pretty sure that there is an option to show/hide those
anyway, they are also categorized as System / Device for easier filtering in old frontends that show them
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Janez]
#336715 - 02/06/15 07:37 AM
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Thanks a lot for the report! Just a question
> ddz=Puzzle / Cards
from the snap here http://item.taobao.c...bucket=0#detail
it seems that it might be Casino ? (the picture is about Super Dou Di Zhu, but I think the game shall be the same)
> pong=.146u1 ### You forgot to add Pong to the version list.
this is weird, since it was in MAME also in very old versions, and I was a bit unsure on which version to assign to it...
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: etabeta]
#336720 - 02/06/15 11:57 AM
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In the Version.ini, Pong is the only game that is not listed under a specific version number. The History.dat says that Pong was added in version 0.36b10.
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- 0.36b10: Juergen Buchmueller added Pong! (Atari 1972). This game has no roms.
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- 0.36b10: Added pong.c driver, vidhrdw\pong.c/h, sndhrdw\pong.c and cpu\gensync\gensync.c/h and gensyncd.c.
So shouldn't Pong be listed in that version instead of having no designation.
It's currently listed as follows:
[] pong
So shouldn't it be listed instead like this:
[.036b10] pong
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Big Karnak]
#336721 - 02/06/15 12:40 PM
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> So shouldn't Pong be listed in that version instead of having no designation. > > It's currently listed as follows: > > [] > pong > > So shouldn't it be listed instead like this: > > [.036b10] > pong
it has no designation because I was not sure which version to assign it and I left it empty (there were previously 4 empty entries: I assigned the proper version numbers to the other 3, but then I forgot about pong ) based on cave games, which got assigned the re-addition version, we shall probably assign it to .146u1
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: etabeta]
#336728 - 02/06/15 03:33 PM
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Janez]
#336740 - 02/07/15 12:49 AM
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I remind you that in the my "renameSET.dat" package are also a new and completely updated "version.ini" and the file "addMAME.txt", detailing for all sets, the version in which they were added.
For "pong" the correct version is 0.146u1.
Edited by AntoPISA (02/07/15 01:11 AM)
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: AntoPISA]
#336754 - 02/07/15 09:28 AM
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> I remind you that in the my "renameSET.dat" package are also a new and completely > updated "version.ini" and the file "addMAME.txt", detailing for all sets, the version > in which they were added.
there also is a complete version.ini in this package
> For "pong" the correct version is 0.146u1.
This is debatable, as I pointed out in another reply: the game was present also in older builds of the emulator. The same holds true for games like tgm2 / tgm2p which were added, and then removed, and then readded, and for the recent cave shooters. We are going to have soon an improved catlist release with the fixes from izius and Janez, and I'll mark pong as added in 0.146u1, but I'm not sure it is so satisfactory as a solution...
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Janez]
#336759 - 02/07/15 10:50 AM
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> Thank you and welcome back.
First of all, thanks a lot to you for spending time reviewing the categories. I (and Scuore and Swos) greatly appreciate when users give us this kind of feedback, so feel free to report any other error you find!
> ckidzo=Ball & Paddle ### This one lacks in your file
this was there but with empty genre... probably a mistake in the script thanks for catching the mistake!
> mgavegas=Electromechanical - PinMAME ### I'm pretty sure this is a pinball > mgavegas133=Electromechanical - PinMAME ### I'm pretty sure this is a pinball > mgavegas21=Electromechanical - PinMAME ### I'm pretty sure this is a pinball
these are in fact coin pushers, according to the source this makes them definitely Electromechanical (this applies also to the Sega UFO crane machines and to the other coin pushers), because I think "Misc" is meant to contain Misc standard games which have no mechanical parts...
probably we will need to split the Electromechanical category in more precise subsets, when we get to re-organize category classification in a few months (more on this when we get to it)
> missilex=Shooter / Gallery
according to the flyer description, in this game you move the missile while avoiding obstacles until you get to the target. I'm a bit lost about whether it belongs to "Shooter / Gallery" or to "Shooter / Misc." but I'm open to suggestions
> startrks=Maze / Shooter Small ### It doesn't seem a "Shooter / Gallery" you shoot in > a maze without scrolling so it should be a "Maze / Shooter Small"
to me, the game seems more along the lines of centipede, which is categorized as Shooter Gallery but I agree it is a bit borderline in both cases
> Do you agree?
I agree in all cases, except for the few entries I mentioned above (and the ddz one). Overall, I think you did a great job! most of the fixes you suggested have been already incorporated and will be in the update we are preparing.
I'm also pleased to report that we integrated some more fixes from izius (from italian MAME boards) finally fixing ~100 pinballs which had been erroneously categorized as Fruit Machines
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: etabeta]
#336801 - 02/09/15 10:53 AM
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> First of all, thanks a lot to you for spending time reviewing the categories. > I (and Scuore and Swos) greatly appreciate when users give us this kind of feedback, > so feel free to report any other error you find!
Well, I think that:
20pacgal=Maze 20pacgalr0=Maze 20pacgalr1=Maze 20pacgalr2=Maze 20pacgalr3=Maze 20pacgalr4=Maze 25pacman=Maze 25pacmano=Maze amclink=Casino animalc=Maze / Surround babypac=Pinball babypac2=Pinball claybust=Shooter / Gallery claychal=Driving / Race ddux=Fighter / 3D ddux1=Fighter / 3D dduxbl=Fighter / 3D dduxj=Fighter / 3D deluxe5=Puzzle deluxe5a=Puzzle deluxe5b=Puzzle detest=Electromechanical - PinMAME ejihon=Misc. funystrp=Maze gp2quiz=Puzzle / Outline *Mature* janptr96=Multiplay *Mature* kenseim=Fighter / Versus kingpin=Multiplay konamigt=Driving / Race (chase view) koroleva=Mini-Games kungfut=Puzzle / Match kungfuta=Puzzle / Match lasso=Maze / Surround lastbank=Driving / Race Bike liblrabl=Maze / Surround luckboom=Casino luckboomh=Casino megat4b=Casino multchmp=Puzzle multchmpk=Puzzle pc_tmnt2=Fighter / 2D puckpepl=Maze pzletime=Puzzle / Sliding redearth=Fighter / 2D redearthr1=Fighter / 2D rf2=Driving / Race (chase view) rolcrush=Puzzle / Match sddz=Not Classified starseek=Puzzle / Toss tetriskr_cga=Puzzle / Drop tmek=Fighter / Versus top21=Casino *Mature* unkpacg=Maze v4cmaze=Casino v4cmaze2=Casino v4cmaze2a=Casino v4cmaze2b=Casino v4cmaze2c=Casino v4cmaze2d=Casino v4cmaze3=Casino v4cmaze3a=Casino v4cmaze3b=Casino v4cmaze3c=Casino v4cmaze3d=Casino v4cmazea=Casino v4cmazeb=Casino v4cmazec=Casino v4cmazed=Casino v4cmazedat=Casino warzard=Fighter / 2D warzardr1=Fighter / 2D xday2=Misc.
should be:
20pacgal=Multiplay 20pacgalr0=Multiplay 20pacgalr1=Multiplay 20pacgalr2=Multiplay 20pacgalr3=Multiplay 20pacgalr4=Multiplay 25pacman=Multiplay 25pacmano=Multiplay amclink=Misc. animalc=Misc. babypac=Misc. babypac2=Misc. claybust=Shooter / Gun claychal=Shooter / Gun ddux=Fighter / 2.5D ddux1=Fighter / 2.5D dduxbl=Fighter / 2.5D dduxj=Fighter / 2.5D deluxe5=Multiplay deluxe5a=Multiplay deluxe5b=Multiplay detest=Misc. ejihon=Puzzle funystrp=Maze *Mature* gp2quiz=Quiz / English *Mature* janptr96=Tabletop / Mahjong *Mature* kenseim=Misc. kingpin=Sports / Bowling konamigt=Driving / Race 1st Person koroleva=Maze kungfut=Platform / Fighter kungfuta=Platform / Fighter lasso=Shooter / Misc. lastbank=Casino liblrabl=Puzzle / Outline luckboom=Shooter / 3rd Person luckboomh=Shooter / 3rd Person megat4b=Multiplay multchmp=Multiplay multchmpk=Multiplay pc_tmnt2=Fighter / 2.5D puckpepl=Maze *Mature* pzletime=Puzzle / Sliding *Mature* redearth=Fighter / Versus redearthr1=Fighter / Versus rf2=Driving / Race 1st Person rolcrush=Puzzle / Toss sddz=Casino starseek=Puzzle *Mature* tetriskr_cga=System / Device tmek=Shooter / 1st Person top21=Casino unkpacg=Casino v4cmaze=Multiplay v4cmaze2=Multiplay v4cmaze2a=Multiplay v4cmaze2b=Multiplay v4cmaze2c=Multiplay v4cmaze2d=Multiplay v4cmaze3=Multiplay v4cmaze3a=Multiplay v4cmaze3b=Multiplay v4cmaze3c=Multiplay v4cmaze3d=Multiplay v4cmazea=Multiplay v4cmazeb=Multiplay v4cmazec=Multiplay v4cmazed=Multiplay v4cmazedat=Multiplay warzard=Fighter / Versus warzardr1=Fighter / Versus xday2=Quiz / Japanese
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Janez]
#336802 - 02/09/15 11:45 AM
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Warzard/Red Earth isn't a vs. fighter.
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Vas Crabb]
#336803 - 02/09/15 12:14 PM
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Janez]
#336804 - 02/09/15 12:45 PM
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> > Warzard/Red Earth isn't a vs. fighter. > > It really seems to be. Watch this video: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JAAK3l0lMo > > What else could it be?
It's not a typical vs fighter. You face off against a fixed sequence of powerful monsters. The monsters you face and the order they appear is determined by your choice of character. None of the monsters are playable characters. It's more like Metamoqester than Street Fighter.
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Vas Crabb]
#336808 - 02/09/15 03:13 PM
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> It's not a typical vs fighter. You face off against a fixed sequence of powerful > monsters. The monsters you face and the order they appear is determined by your > choice of character. None of the monsters are playable characters. It's more like > Metamoqester than Street Fighter.
So are they all "Fighter / Versus Co-op"?
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Janez]
#336854 - 02/10/15 09:27 PM
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Scuore]
#336870 - 02/11/15 07:38 AM
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Thanks for updating this.
One thing I never understood is why the following two subcategories are included in the Sports.ini file:
[ShooterField]
[ShooterFlying Horizontal]
Do you really think that games like 3stooges and asteroid should be classified as "Sports" games?
There is already a Shooter.ini file, so shouldn't those type of games be included in just that file instead of the Sports.ini file?
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Scuore]
#336889 - 02/12/15 04:29 AM
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> Made a lot of corrections and updated Catlist to 0.158_Fix. Thank you all for > reporting wrong classifications! > > http://www.progettoemma.net/
Thanks for the hard work trying to keep this list accurate. I have some suggestions/corrections to add. The Player's Edge Plus games are casino games. There are 4 that are labeled as misc. These four are chips. These would probably be better classified as casino / misc. They are peivc006, peset001, peset004 and peset038.
Also, can you add a category for test / diagnostic roms such as...
sentetst ctsttape qbtrktst tst_galx tst_invd qberttst j2tst m5tst sf2amf2 blastero sys1test taitest tf95_12 tfa_13 tfdmd_l3 tfs_12 cc_104 cubybop detest dogyuunt ecap hirolcat j5tst1 j5tst2 j5tstal kontest llandert m1tstunt m3tst m4rltst m4tst m4tst2 motofrenft motofrenmf rfjetsa s80tst
I think those are all diagnostic and/or test and there may be more. It would be nice to be able to filter these without filtering games that are labeled as misc. Thanks again.
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Mr Ric]
#336899 - 02/12/15 07:57 AM
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for the moment all diagnostic chipsets / updater CDs / etc. remain under Misc. the pe+ chips seem to fit the above, because (from what I can tell) they are used to setup the default configuration of the PCBs before installing the game-specific chipset
in a few months, we will have a re-organization of the categories which, among other things, will include a new category for the sets above.
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Scuore]
#336909 - 02/13/15 04:22 AM
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> Made a lot of corrections and updated Catlist to 0.158_Fix. Thank you all for > reporting wrong classifications!
thanks for the fixed catver.ini!!
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Scuore]
#336916 - 02/13/15 04:45 PM
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OK, I think I found more errors:
beeline=Fruit Machines brooklyn=Fruit Machines brooklyna=Fruit Machines caprcyc=Fruit Machines circa33=Fruit Machines cmanhat=Shooter / Flying Vertical cntine31=Fruit Machines cspin2=Fruit Machines csplayh1=Tabletop / Hanafuda csplayh5=Tabletop / Mahjong csplayh7=Tabletop / Mahjong dai2kaku=Tabletop dangerz=Shooter / Command ddz=Not Classified deerhunte=Shooter / Field defcmnd=Shooter / Flying defence=Shooter / Flying defenderb=Shooter / Flying defenderg=Shooter / Flying defndjeu=Shooter / Flying detest=Electromechanical - PinMAME disco79=Fruit Machines domino2=Fruit Machines erosone=Fruit Machines fireball=Fruit Machines foathens=Fruit Machines fort2b=Shooter / Gallery fort2ba=Shooter / Gallery ggate=Fruit Machines ggatea=Fruit Machines inquiztr=Not Classified j2tst=Fruit Machines j5tst1=Fruit Machines j5tst2=Fruit Machines j5tstal=Fruit Machines lastduel=Shooter / Flying Vertical lastduelb=Shooter / Flying Vertical lastduelj=Shooter / Flying Vertical lastduelo=Shooter / Flying Vertical lastsurv=Shooter / Field llander=Shooter / Flying llander1=Shooter / Flying llandert=Shooter / Flying m1tstunt=Fruit Machines m3tst=Fruit Machines m4rltst=Fruit Machines m4tst=Electromechanical - PinMAME m4tst2=Electromechanical - PinMAME m5tst=Fruit Machines michigan=Fruit Machines michkit1=Fruit Machines michkitb=Fruit Machines michnew=Fruit Machines michstake=Fruit Machines missilex=Not Classified montana=Fruit Machines newdixie=Fruit Machines paddlema=Sports / Tennis penalty=Fruit Machines pprobe=Shooter / Flying pzletime=Puzzle / Sliding raaspec=Shooter / Flying 1st Person redearth=Fighter / Versus redearthr1=Fighter / Versus redhawki=Shooter / Misc. Vertical royclark=Fruit Machines s80tst=Electromechanical - PinMAME sddz=Not Classified senjyo=Shooter / Command spkrbtl=Sports / Basketball starshot=Fruit Machines starshp1=Shooter / Command starshpp=Shooter / Command startrkd=Shooter / Flying startrks=Shooter / Gallery submar=Fruit Machines subroc3d=Shooter / Command superdix=Fruit Machines suprpick=Fruit Machines sys1test=Electromechanical - PinMAME taitest=Electromechanical - PinMAME takefive=Fruit Machines terraf=Shooter / Misc. Horizontal terrafb=Shooter / Misc. Horizontal terrafj=Shooter / Flying Horizontal terrafjb=Shooter / Misc. Horizontal terrafu=Shooter / Misc. Horizontal tf95_12=Electromechanical - PinMAME tfa_13=Electromechanical - PinMAME tfdmd_l3=Electromechanical - PinMAME tfs_12=Electromechanical - PinMAME thndbolt=Fruit Machines toobin=Sports / Swimming toobin1=Sports / Swimming toobin2=Sports / Swimming toobin2e=Sports / Swimming toobine=Sports / Swimming toobing=Sports / Swimming topgame=Fruit Machines topgamet=Fruit Machines topshoot=Shooter / 1st Person tornado1=Shooter / Flying tornado2=Shooter / Flying tripjok=Fruit Machines tst_galx=Shooter / Gallery tst_invd=Shooter / Gallery turbosub7=Shooter / 1st Person tvrs2=Shooter / Driving (chase view) viper=Shooter / Command viprp1u=Shooter / Misc. Vertical warpsped=Shooter / Gallery warzard=Fighter / Versus warzardr1=Fighter / Versus zero=Shooter / Flying zodiack=Shooter / Flying
Should be:
beeline=Quiz / English brooklyn=Electromechanical - PinMAME brooklyna=Electromechanical - PinMAME caprcyc=Electromechanical - PinMAME circa33=Electromechanical - PinMAME cmanhat=Misc. cntine31=Electromechanical - PinMAME cspin2=Electromechanical - PinMAME csplayh1=Tabletop ############################ You can choose to play mahjong OR hanafuda csplayh5=Tabletop ############################ You can choose to play mahjong OR hanafuda csplayh7=Tabletop ############################ You can choose to play mahjong OR hanafuda dai2kaku=Puzzle / Cards dangerz=Shooter / Flying 1st Person ddz=Casino ################################### You found out this is a Casino game, why "Not Classified"? deerhunte=Shooter / Gun defcmnd=Shooter / Flying Horizontal defence=Shooter / Flying Horizontal defenderb=Shooter / Flying Horizontal defenderg=Shooter / Flying Horizontal defndjeu=Shooter / Flying Horizontal detest=Misc. disco79=Electromechanical - PinMAME domino2=Electromechanical - PinMAME erosone=Electromechanical - PinMAME fireball=Electromechanical - PinMAME foathens=Electromechanical - PinMAME fort2b=Shooter / Command fort2ba=Shooter / Command ggate=Electromechanical - PinMAME ggatea=Electromechanical - PinMAME inquiztr=Quiz / English j2tst=Misc. j5tst1=Misc. j5tst2=Misc. j5tstal=Misc. lastduel=Shooter / Driving Vertical lastduelb=Shooter / Driving Vertical lastduelj=Shooter / Driving Vertical lastduelo=Shooter / Driving Vertical lastsurv=Shooter / 3rd Person llander=Misc. llander1=Misc. llandert=Misc. m1tstunt=Misc. m3tst=Misc. m4rltst=Misc. m4tst=Misc. m4tst2=Misc. m5tst=Misc. michigan=Electromechanical - PinMAME michkit1=Electromechanical - PinMAME michkitb=Electromechanical - PinMAME michnew=Electromechanical - PinMAME michstake=Electromechanical - PinMAME missilex=Shooter / Gallery montana=Electromechanical - PinMAME newdixie=Electromechanical - PinMAME paddlema=Sports ############################## This is not just tennis penalty=Electromechanical - PinMAME pprobe=Shooter / Misc. Horizontal pzletime=Puzzle / Sliding *Mature* ########### This is "Puzzle / Sliding *Mature*", You need to configure the options to get the sexy images raaspec=Misc. redearth=Fighter / Versus Co-op redearthr1=Fighter / Versus Co-op redhawki=Shooter / Flying Vertical royclark=Electromechanical - PinMAME s80tst=Misc. sddz=Casino ################################## You found out this is a Casino game, why "Not Classified"? senjyo=Shooter / 1st Person spkrbtl=Fighter / Versus starshot=Electromechanical - PinMAME starshp1=Shooter / 1st Person starshpp=Shooter / 1st Person startrkd=Shooter / Flying Horizontal startrks=Maze / Shooter Small ################ I don't want to bother but "Shooter / Gallery" are games like Space Invaders or Carnival, this is like Battle City or Targ so to me is definitely a "Maze / Shooter Small" submar=Electromechanical - PinMAME subroc3d=Shooter / Flying 1st Person superdix=Electromechanical - PinMAME suprpick=Electromechanical - PinMAME sys1test=Misc. taitest=Misc. takefive=Electromechanical - PinMAME terraf=Shooter / Flying terrafb=Shooter / Flying terrafj=Shooter / Flying terrafjb=Shooter / Flying terrafu=Shooter / Flying tf95_12=Misc. tfa_13=Misc. tfdmd_l3=Misc. tfs_12=Misc. thndbolt=Electromechanical - PinMAME toobin=Sports toobin1=Sports toobin2=Sports toobin2e=Sports toobine=Sports toobing=Sports topgame=Electromechanical - PinMAME topgamet=Electromechanical - PinMAME topshoot=Sports tornado1=Shooter / Flying Horizontal tornado2=Shooter / Flying Horizontal tripjok=Electromechanical - PinMAME tst_galx=Misc. tst_invd=Misc. turbosub7=Shooter / Driving 1st Person tvrs2=Platform / Fighter Scrolling viper=Shooter / Flying 1st Person viprp1u=Shooter / Flying Vertical warpsped=Misc. warzard=Fighter / Versus Co-op warzardr1=Fighter / Versus Co-op zero=Shooter / Flying Horizontal zodiack=Shooter / Flying Vertical
Well, I think I'm done :-)
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Janez]
#336941 - 02/14/15 04:42 PM
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> Well, I think I'm done :-)
Not exactly, here some more:
cpokert=Casino janoha=Tabletop / Hanafuda *Mature* lastfortea=Puzzle / Match lucky8b=Casino magicbubb=Puzzle / Toss megaman=Fighter / Versus megamana=Fighter / Versus megamn2d=Fighter / Versus mmancp2u=Fighter / Versus mmancp2ur1=Fighter / Versus nunchaku=Platform / Fighter promutrvc=Quiz / English puzznic=Puzzle *Mature* rmancp2j=Fighter / Versus rockmanj=Fighter / Versus sc1clatt=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc1lotus=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc1lotusa=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc1roul=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2bar7=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2bar7a=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2bar7b=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2bar7c=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2bar7d=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2bar7e=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2bar7f=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2bar7g=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2bar7h=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2bar7i=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2bar7j=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2bar7k=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2drwho=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2drwho1=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2drwho1p=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2drwho2=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2drwho2p=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2drwho3=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2drwho3p=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2drwho4=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2drwho4p=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2drwho5=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2drwho5p=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2drwho6=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2drwho6p=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2drwho7=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2drwho7p=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2drwhodx=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2drwhop=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2drwhou=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2focus=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2luvv=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2luvv1=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2luvv1p=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2luvv2=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2luvv2p=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2luvv4=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2luvv4p=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2luvv6p=Electromechanical - PinMAME sc2luvvp=Electromechanical - PinMAME striderjr=Platform / Shooter Scrolling trvmstrb=Quiz / English usg182=Casino v4addlad=Casino v4skltrk=Casino v4skltrka=Casino
Should be:
cpokert=Casino *Mature* janoha=Tabletop / Mahjong *Mature* lastfortea=Puzzle / Match *Mature* lucky8b=Casino *Mature* magicbubb=Puzzle / Toss *Mature* megaman=Fighter / Versus Co-op megamana=Fighter / Versus Co-op megamn2d=Fighter / Versus Co-op mmancp2u=Fighter / Versus Co-op mmancp2ur1=Fighter / Versus Co-op nunchaku=Platform / Fighter Scrolling promutrvc=Quiz / English *Mature* puzznic=Puzzle rmancp2j=Fighter / Versus Co-op rockmanj=Fighter / Versus Co-op sc1clatt=Fruit Machines sc1lotus=Fruit Machines sc1lotusa=Fruit Machines sc1roul=Fruit Machines sc2bar7=Fruit Machines sc2bar7a=Fruit Machines sc2bar7b=Fruit Machines sc2bar7c=Fruit Machines sc2bar7d=Fruit Machines sc2bar7e=Fruit Machines sc2bar7f=Fruit Machines sc2bar7g=Fruit Machines sc2bar7h=Fruit Machines sc2bar7i=Fruit Machines sc2bar7j=Fruit Machines sc2bar7k=Fruit Machines sc2drwho=Fruit Machines sc2drwho1=Fruit Machines sc2drwho1p=Fruit Machines sc2drwho2=Fruit Machines sc2drwho2p=Fruit Machines sc2drwho3=Fruit Machines sc2drwho3p=Fruit Machines sc2drwho4=Fruit Machines sc2drwho4p=Fruit Machines sc2drwho5=Fruit Machines sc2drwho5p=Fruit Machines sc2drwho6=Fruit Machines sc2drwho6p=Fruit Machines sc2drwho7=Fruit Machines sc2drwho7p=Fruit Machines sc2drwhodx=Fruit Machines sc2drwhop=Fruit Machines sc2drwhou=Fruit Machines sc2focus=Fruit Machines sc2luvv=Fruit Machines sc2luvv1=Fruit Machines sc2luvv1p=Fruit Machines sc2luvv2=Fruit Machines sc2luvv2p=Fruit Machines sc2luvv4=Fruit Machines sc2luvv4p=Fruit Machines sc2luvv6p=Fruit Machines sc2luvvp=Fruit Machines striderjr=Platform / Fighter Scrolling trvmstrb=Quiz / English *Mature* usg182=Multiplay *Mature* v4addlad=Quiz / English v4skltrk=Quiz / English v4skltrka=Quiz / English
Now (I think) I'm done.
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Janez]
#336942 - 02/14/15 06:17 PM
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thanks a lot for the useful reports! I have a few comments (the rest has been already included and it will be part of next catver), though, and I'd like to know your opinion as well
> dai2kaku=Puzzle / Cards I don't think this is correct. the game clearly seems a Tabletop game, along the lines of Uno and similar card games (which fit the Table Top definition, as long as no gambling is involved)
> ddz=Casino ################################### You found out this is a Casino game, > why "Not Classified"? > sddz=Casino ################################## You found out this is a Casino game, > why "Not Classified"? because the snap I've found so far is only for the sddz set, and it does not clarify whether it is a Tabletop game or a Gambling one... still searching for a definite answer
> paddlema=Sports ############################## This is not just tennis Categories are used to give an idea of which kind of games you will play. In this case, even if it's not 100% tennis, I think that tagging the game as Tennis provides more info than generically tagging it as Sports. Otherwise 99% of futuristic sports (+ weird things like pigskin or arch rivals) should be moved to generic Sports as well... I'm open to discussion on this however: there is not a right/wrong way to attribute genres to games, and the categories should make users' experience more enjoyable rather than create rigid rules
> pprobe=Shooter / Misc. Horizontal doesn't this qualify for Shooter / Gallery instead?
> spkrbtl=Fighter / Versus nope. this was in the wrong category (thanks for catching it) but it is a 3d beat'em up (like dynamite cop) diehard, instead, it's 2.5 beat'em up since you cannot fight in all directions
> startrks=Maze / Shooter Small ################ I don't want to bother but "Shooter / > Gallery" are games like Space Invaders or Carnival, this is like Battle City or Targ > so to me is definitely a "Maze / Shooter Small" you convinced me. I think that the maze genre should have a predominant maze component, but for the moment it is the category which better fits the game
> toobin=Sports > toobin1=Sports > toobin2=Sports > toobin2e=Sports > toobine=Sports > toobing=Sports while you are not technically swimming in this game, you are still doing a sort of "downhill slalom" in the river, while moving water with your hands...
> topshoot=Sports In this case, I'm tempted to classify it as basketball, since you are basically shooting fouls shots for bets...
> warpsped=Misc. This seems a bit of a "Driving / 1st Person" or "Driving / Plane" game, since you have to guide your spaceship and avoid "asteroids" while trying to get as far as you can... opinions?
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: etabeta]
#336947 - 02/14/15 08:19 PM
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> thanks a lot for the useful reports! > I have a few comments (the rest has been already included and it will be part of next > catver), though, and I'd like to know your opinion as well > > > dai2kaku=Puzzle / Cards > I don't think this is correct. the game clearly seems a Tabletop game, along the > lines of Uno and similar card games (which fit the Table Top definition, as long as > no gambling is involved)
You are right.
> > ddz=Casino ################################### You found out this is a Casino game, > > why "Not Classified"? > > sddz=Casino ################################## You found out this is a Casino game, > > why "Not Classified"? > because the snap I've found so far is only for the sddz set, and it does not clarify > whether it is a Tabletop game or a Gambling one... still searching for a definite > answer
Ok, maybe it is better to put it under a category, then correct it if wrong.
> > paddlema=Sports ############################## This is not just tennis > Categories are used to give an idea of which kind of games you will play. In this > case, even if it's not 100% tennis, I think that tagging the game as Tennis provides > more info than generically tagging it as Sports. Otherwise 99% of futuristic sports > (+ weird things like pigskin or arch rivals) should be moved to generic Sports as > well... I'm open to discussion on this however: there is not a right/wrong way to > attribute genres to games, and the categories should make users' experience more > enjoyable rather than create rigid rules
The point is, every game under the "Sport / Tennis" category is about just tennis (or squash). Pigskin is about rugby and Arch Rivals is about basket with some weirdness on them. Paddle Mania is not about tennis, it is some futuristic weird sport with a paddle.
> > pprobe=Shooter / Misc. Horizontal > doesn't this qualify for Shooter / Gallery instead?
Maybe, but you scroll to the right so...
> > spkrbtl=Fighter / Versus > nope. this was in the wrong category (thanks for catching it) but it is a 3d beat'em > up (like dynamite cop) > diehard, instead, it's 2.5 beat'em up since you cannot fight in all directions
Ok.
> > toobin=Sports > > toobin1=Sports > > toobin2=Sports > > toobin2e=Sports > > toobine=Sports > > toobing=Sports > while you are not technically swimming in this game, you are still doing a sort of > "downhill slalom" in the river, while moving water with your hands...
Ok, but this does not qualify it to the "Sports / Swimming" category.
> > topshoot=Sports > In this case, I'm tempted to classify it as basketball, since you are basically > shooting fouls shots for bets...
It is the same concept as the one about Paddle Mania. There is a ball and a basket, but it is not basketball.
> > warpsped=Misc. > This seems a bit of a "Driving / 1st Person" or "Driving / Plane" game, since you > have to guide your spaceship and avoid "asteroids" while trying to get as far as you > can... opinions?
This is hard to define, it can be "Driving / 1st Person" but you don't drive, or "Shooter / Flying 1st Person" but you don't shoot, or "Driving / Race 1st Person" but it is not a race. "Driving / Plane" fits well enough but it is not a plane.
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Janez]
#336983 - 02/16/15 01:11 PM
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I've re-classified more sets according to your reports, and I've fixed a few spare mistakes (e.g. braveff was marked as belonging to the Platform genre) thanks again for the careful review of the inis: it's always good to have fresh eyes double checking the job
feel free to report more errors if you find them, except if they are about Fruit Machine / Electromechanical classification, because we are going to reorganize those genre a little bit for 0.159 and it's better to wait until we are done before reporting further mistakes that could have been already fixed
> > > pprobe=Shooter / Misc. Horizontal > > doesn't this qualify for Shooter / Gallery instead? > > Maybe, but you scroll to the right so... >
let me think a bit more about this...
> > > toobin=Sports > > > toobin1=Sports > > > toobin2=Sports > > > toobin2e=Sports > > > toobine=Sports > > > toobing=Sports > > while you are not technically swimming in this game, you are still doing a sort of > > "downhill slalom" in the river, while moving water with your hands... > > Ok, but this does not qualify it to the "Sports / Swimming" category.
how does Swimmer qualify to this category, then, in your standard? you are not in a pool in that game either, and you don't compete with others to win a "race" if we are going to be strict about what belongs to the sports category, then we would have to be strict in all cases, and reclassify dozen of them because rules are often bent for gameplay reasons
I'd rather be a little bit more elastic here
> > > warpsped=Misc. > > This seems a bit of a "Driving / 1st Person" or "Driving / Plane" game, since you > > have to guide your spaceship and avoid "asteroids" while trying to get as far as > you > > can... opinions? > > This is hard to define, it can be "Driving / 1st Person" but you don't drive, or > "Shooter / Flying 1st Person" but you don't shoot, or "Driving / Race 1st Person" but > it is not a race. > "Driving / Plane" fits well enough but it is not a plane.
well, you steer your vehicle in various directions... so you're driving, even if not with a steering wheel I guess we shall extend the "Driving / Plane" name to better describe the fact spaceships are allowed as well
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: etabeta]
#336987 - 02/16/15 05:11 PM
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> feel free to report more errors if you find them, except if they are about Fruit > Machine / Electromechanical classification, because we are going to reorganize those > genre a little bit for 0.159 and it's better to wait until we are done before > reporting further mistakes that could have been already fixed
Fine, I already made a post in this very thread.
> > > > toobin=Sports > > > > toobin1=Sports > > > > toobin2=Sports > > > > toobin2e=Sports > > > > toobine=Sports > > > > toobing=Sports > > > while you are not technically swimming in this game, you are still doing a sort > of > > > "downhill slalom" in the river, while moving water with your hands... > > > > Ok, but this does not qualify it to the "Sports / Swimming" category. > > how does Swimmer qualify to this category, then, in your standard? you are not in a > pool in that game either, and you don't compete with others to win a "race" > if we are going to be strict about what belongs to the sports category, then we would > have to be strict in all cases, and reclassify dozen of them because rules are often > bent for gameplay reasons > I'd rather be a little bit more elastic here
Ok but in Swimmer you swim, in Toobin you float.
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: etabeta]
#337009 - 02/17/15 05:06 AM
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> > well, you steer your vehicle in various directions... so you're driving, even if not > with a steering wheel > I guess we shall extend the "Driving / Plane" name to better describe the fact > spaceships are allowed as well
Navigating is a more appropriate word, I think. Not driving. Are there any driving (like... with a car) games that aren't a racing game or off-road type setting (like monster trucks and dirt bikes and such)? Doesn't seem like fun. If there isn't, then the category should be "Flying / Navigating" Since pretty much all of the car/motorcycle stuff should fall under Race or Off-road or something like that.
Please excuse my ignorance; the thread caught my interest, but I'm on a lunch break and don't have time to actually examine the contents of the category files...
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: etabeta]
#337010 - 02/17/15 05:35 AM
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@etabeta... I'd like to know what you think about my previous post:
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One thing I never understood is why the following two subcategories are included in the Sports.ini file:
[ShooterField]
[ShooterFlying Horizontal]
Do you really think that games like 3stooges and asteroid should be classified as "Sports" games?
There is already a Shooter.ini file, so shouldn't those type of games be included in just that file instead of the Sports.ini file?
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: etabeta]
#337017 - 02/17/15 01:06 PM
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Big Karnak]
#337037 - 02/18/15 12:12 PM
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> @etabeta... I'd like to know what you think about my previous post: > > One thing I never understood is why the following two subcategories are included in > the Sports.ini file: > > [ShooterField] > > [ShooterFlying Horizontal] > > Do you really think that games like 3stooges and asteroid should be classified as > "Sports" games? > > There is already a Shooter.ini file, so shouldn't those type of games be included in > just that file instead of the Sports.ini file?
This has been fixed a few days ago and it should not happen anymore in 0.159 The problem was that a few games were assigned the wrong genre, i.e. we had a game with "Sports" as genre & "Shooter / Field" as category, and another game with "Sports" as genre & "Shooter / Flying Horizontal" as category. This lead the script to correctly include those category in the corresponding Sports.ini, even if it should not have happened. Similarly, there was a game with "Platform" as genre and "Shooter / Gun" as category, leading to another erroneous addition to Platform.ini
We have also added a new double-check procedure to reduce odds of this happening again in future
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Janez]
#337039 - 02/18/15 03:49 PM
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> > feel free to report more errors if you find them, except if they are about Fruit > > Machine / Electromechanical classification, because we are going to reorganize > those > > genre a little bit for 0.159 and it's better to wait until we are done before > > reporting further mistakes that could have been already fixed > > Fine, I already made a post in this very thread.
Those have been included already, before my post above I was monitoring the thread
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