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Catlist 0.158 out !
#336699 - 02/05/15 11:58 AM
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The updated category/genre/version ini files for usage with Frontends and MAMEUI are finally ready, thanks to the work of Scuore and Swos
http://www.progettoemma.net/
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thanks a lot!! [nt]
[Re: etabeta]
#336700 - 02/05/15 01:00 PM
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: etabeta]
#336701 - 02/05/15 02:04 PM
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There seems to be a bunch of incorrect entries in the Catlist Version.ini file. Examples of such incorrect entries are:
[.157]
geforce_7600gs
i82875p_overflow
[.158]
SEGA315_5838
intel_28f320j5
Those four examples I listed are obviously not existing ROMs. I'm sure there are other incorrect entries, but I didn't have the time to go through the whole Catlist.
EDIT: These errors also exist in other Catlist files, not just the Version.ini. There are hundreds of these errors. Look at the Genre.ini. Incorrect entries such as:
m4madmnc__r
m4madmnc__s
m4madmnc__t
m4madmnc__u
m4madmnc__v
m4madmnc__w
etc....
EDIT 2: I just realized that many of these types of incorrect entries also existed in the previous Catlist files. I'm not sure why.
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Big Karnak]
#336702 - 02/05/15 02:19 PM
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> There seems to be a bunch of incorrect entries in the Catlist Version.ini file.
> Examples of such incorrect entries are:
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> [.157]
> geforce_7600gs
> i82875p_overflow
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> [.158]
> SEGA315_5838
> intel_28f320j5
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> Those four examples I listed are obviously not existing ROMs. I'm sure there are
> other incorrect entries, but didn't have the time to go through the whole Catlist.
not sure what you mean: those are devices which were added in those versions, and now they appear in the listxml output. they are ROMless, but also pong is...
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: etabeta]
#336703 - 02/05/15 02:44 PM
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Yea, I just realized that. My bad. I had thought that the only entries that were supposed to be listed in the Catlist files were "All Games". I didn't know that devices and other stuff were supposed to be included in the Catlist files since they don't show up in the emulator's user interface.
For example, in MAMEUI if you try searching for entry SEGA315_5838 in the Version > [.158], it won't be displayed. Nor will it be displayed under "All Games". So I had thought that it was a mistake to include such entries in the Catlist files since it doesn't get displayed.
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: etabeta]
#336707 - 02/05/15 07:47 PM
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Thank you and welcome back.
I think there are some errors in catver.ini (English version), here the list:
ar_spot=Tabletop / Othello
barata=Not Classified
ddz=Not Classified
eggsplc=Not Classified
eztouch=Not Classified
funkball=Not Classified
gvrxpsup=Not Classified
gvrxpsys=Not Classified
hideseek=Not Classified
hostinv=Not Classified
hyperv2=Not Classified
hyperv2a=Not Classified
invqix=Shooter / Gallery
lhzb3=Not Classified
lhzb4=Not Classified
megat=Casino
mgavegas=Fruit Machines
mgavegas133=Fruit Machines
mgavegas21=Fruit Machines
missilex=Not Classified
mushi2k5=Not Classified
newufo=Fruit Machines
newufo_nfl=Fruit Machines
newufo_sonic=Fruit Machines
newufo_xmas=Fruit Machines
odeontw2=Not Classified
orbatak=Not Classified
peivc006=Casino
peset001=Casino
peset004=Casino
peset038=Casino
popn1=Rhythm / Dance
popn2=Rhythm / Instruments
popn4=Rhythm / Dance
popn6=Rhythm / Dance
popn8=Rhythm / Dance
popnanm2=Rhythm / Dance
quickjac=Not Classified
revlatns=Not Classified
rgum=Not Classified
sectionz=Shooter / Flying Horizontal
sectionza=Shooter / Flying Horizontal
spaceod=Shooter / Flying Horizontal
spaceod2=Shooter / Flying Horizontal
spcwarp=Not Classified
startrks=Shooter / Gallery
ufo21=Fruit Machines
ufo800=Fruit Machines
ufomini=Fruit Machines
westdrm=Fruit Machines
wontmuch=Not Classified
xfilesk=Puzzle / Match *Mature*
yorizori=Not Classified
Should be:
ar_spot=Tabletop ### It seems but it is not Othello
barata=Misc.
ckidzo=Ball & Paddle ### This one lacks in your file
ddz=Puzzle / Cards
eggsplc=Misc.
eztouch=Misc.
funkball=Puzzle
gvrxpsup=Misc.
gvrxpsys=Misc.
hideseek=Casino
hostinv=Shooter / Gun
hyperv2=Misc.
hyperv2a=Misc.
invqix=Multiplay ### Space Invaders is "Shooter / Gallery" but Qix is "Puzzle / Outline" so this is a Multiplay
lhzb3=Tabletop / Mahjong
lhzb4=Tabletop / Mahjong
megat=Multiplay ### This is a Multiplay as the other "Pit Boss Megatouch" releases
mgavegas=Electromechanical - PinMAME ### I'm pretty sure this is a pinball
mgavegas133=Electromechanical - PinMAME ### I'm pretty sure this is a pinball
mgavegas21=Electromechanical - PinMAME ### I'm pretty sure this is a pinball
missilex=Shooter / Gallery
mushi2k5=Misc.
newufo=Misc. ### This is not a "Fruit Machines" it is a claw machine
newufo_nfl=Misc. ### This is not a "Fruit Machines" it is a claw machine
newufo_sonic=Misc. ### This is not a "Fruit Machines" it is a claw machine
newufo_xmas=Misc. ### This is not a "Fruit Machines" it is a claw machine
odeontw2=Multiplay *Mature*
orbatak=Sports
peivc006=Misc. ### This is just an utility chip not a real game
peset001=Misc. ### This is just an utility chip not a real game
peset004=Misc. ### This is just an utility chip not a real game
peset038=Misc. ### This is just an utility chip not a real game
popn1=Rhythm ### The "Pop'n Music" games are just "Rhythm" games. You don't dance nor you use an instrument
popn2=Rhythm ### The "Pop'n Music" games are just "Rhythm" games. You don't dance nor you use an instrument
popn4=Rhythm ### The "Pop'n Music" games are just "Rhythm" games. You don't dance nor you use an instrument
popn6=Rhythm ### The "Pop'n Music" games are just "Rhythm" games. You don't dance nor you use an instrument
popn8=Rhythm ### The "Pop'n Music" games are just "Rhythm" games. You don't dance nor you use an instrument
popnanm2=Rhythm ### The "Pop'n Music" games are just "Rhythm" games. You don't dance nor you use an instrument
quickjac=Casino
revlatns=Quiz / English
rgum=Casino
sectionz=Shooter / Flying ### In "Section Z" and "Space Odyssey" you start the game flying horizontal but after the first boss it scrolls vertical
sectionza=Shooter / Flying ### In "Section Z" and "Space Odyssey" you start the game flying horizontal but after the first boss it scrolls vertical
spaceod=Shooter / Flying ### In "Section Z" and "Space Odyssey" you start the game flying horizontal but after the first boss it scrolls vertical
spaceod2=Shooter / Flying ### In "Section Z" and "Space Odyssey" you start the game flying horizontal but after the first boss it scrolls vertical
spcwarp=Shooter / Gallery
startrks=Maze / Shooter Small ### It doesn't seem a "Shooter / Gallery" you shoot in a maze without scrolling so it should be a "Maze / Shooter Small"
ufo21=Misc. ### This is not a "Fruit Machines" it is a claw machine
ufo800=Misc. ### This is not a "Fruit Machines" it is a claw machine
ufomini=Misc. ### This is not a "Fruit Machines" it is a claw machine
westdrm=Misc. ### This is not a "Fruit Machines" it is a coin pusher
wontmuch=Rhythm
xfilesk=Puzzle / Match ### This is the censored version of "The X-Files" so it is not "Puzzle / Match *Mature*"
yorizori=Misc.
pong=.146u1 ### You forgot to add Pong to the version list.
Do you agree?
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Big Karnak]
#336714 - 02/06/15 07:27 AM
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> Yea, I just realized that. My bad. I had thought that the only entries that were
> supposed to be listed in the Catlist files were "All Games". I didn't know that
> devices and other stuff were supposed to be included in the Catlist files since they
> don't show up in the emulator's user interface.
>
no problem. it could have been a real issue, so I appreciate the report anyway
> For example, in MAMEUI if you try searching for entry SEGA315_5838 in the Version >
> [.158], it won't be displayed. Nor will it be displayed under "All Games". So I had
> thought that it was a mistake to include such entries in the Catlist files since it
> doesn't get displayed.
I think it depends on the settings of your frontend/UI. On QMC2 I'm pretty sure that there is an option to show/hide those
anyway, they are also categorized as System / Device for easier filtering in old frontends that show them 
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Janez]
#336715 - 02/06/15 07:37 AM
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Thanks a lot for the report! Just a question
> ddz=Puzzle / Cards
from the snap here
http://item.taobao.c...bucket=0#detail
it seems that it might be Casino ? (the picture is about Super Dou Di Zhu, but I think the game shall be the same)
> pong=.146u1 ### You forgot to add Pong to the version list.
this is weird, since it was in MAME also in very old versions, and I was a bit unsure on which version to assign to it...
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: etabeta]
#336720 - 02/06/15 11:57 AM
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In the Version.ini, Pong is the only game that is not listed under a specific version number. The History.dat says that Pong was added in version 0.36b10.
Quote:
- 0.36b10: Juergen Buchmueller added Pong! (Atari 1972). This game has no roms.
Quote:
- 0.36b10: Added pong.c driver, vidhrdw\pong.c/h, sndhrdw\pong.c and cpu\gensync\gensync.c/h and gensyncd.c.
So shouldn't Pong be listed in that version instead of having no designation.
It's currently listed as follows:
[]
pong
So shouldn't it be listed instead like this:
[.036b10]
pong
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Big Karnak]
#336721 - 02/06/15 12:40 PM
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> So shouldn't Pong be listed in that version instead of having no designation.
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> It's currently listed as follows:
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> []
> pong
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> So shouldn't it be listed instead like this:
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> [.036b10]
> pong
it has no designation because I was not sure which version to assign it and I left it empty (there were previously 4 empty entries: I assigned the proper version numbers to the other 3, but then I forgot about pong  )
based on cave games, which got assigned the re-addition version, we shall probably assign it to .146u1
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: etabeta]
#336728 - 02/06/15 03:33 PM
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Janez]
#336740 - 02/07/15 12:49 AM
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I remind you that in the my "renameSET.dat" package are also a new and completely updated "version.ini" and the file "addMAME.txt", detailing for all sets, the version in which they were added.
For "pong" the correct version is 0.146u1.
Edited by AntoPISA (02/07/15 01:11 AM)
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: AntoPISA]
#336754 - 02/07/15 09:28 AM
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> I remind you that in the my "renameSET.dat" package are also a new and completely
> updated "version.ini" and the file "addMAME.txt", detailing for all sets, the version
> in which they were added.
there also is a complete version.ini in this package 
> For "pong" the correct version is 0.146u1.
This is debatable, as I pointed out in another reply: the game was present also in older builds of the emulator.
The same holds true for games like tgm2 / tgm2p which were added, and then removed, and then readded, and for the recent cave shooters.
We are going to have soon an improved catlist release with the fixes from izius and Janez, and I'll mark pong as added in 0.146u1, but I'm not sure it is so satisfactory as a solution...
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Janez]
#336759 - 02/07/15 10:50 AM
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> Thank you and welcome back.
First of all, thanks a lot to you for spending time reviewing the categories.
I (and Scuore and Swos) greatly appreciate when users give us this kind of feedback, so feel free to report any other error you find!
> ckidzo=Ball & Paddle ### This one lacks in your file
this was there but with empty genre... probably a mistake in the script
thanks for catching the mistake!
> mgavegas=Electromechanical - PinMAME ### I'm pretty sure this is a pinball
> mgavegas133=Electromechanical - PinMAME ### I'm pretty sure this is a pinball
> mgavegas21=Electromechanical - PinMAME ### I'm pretty sure this is a pinball
these are in fact coin pushers, according to the source
this makes them definitely Electromechanical (this applies also to the Sega UFO crane machines and to the other coin pushers), because I think "Misc" is meant to contain Misc standard games which have no mechanical parts...
probably we will need to split the Electromechanical category in more precise subsets, when we get to re-organize category classification in a few months (more on this when we get to it)
> missilex=Shooter / Gallery
according to the flyer description, in this game you move the missile while avoiding obstacles until you get to the target. I'm a bit lost about whether it belongs to "Shooter / Gallery" or to "Shooter / Misc." but I'm open to suggestions
> startrks=Maze / Shooter Small ### It doesn't seem a "Shooter / Gallery" you shoot in
> a maze without scrolling so it should be a "Maze / Shooter Small"
to me, the game seems more along the lines of centipede, which is categorized as Shooter Gallery
but I agree it is a bit borderline in both cases
> Do you agree?
I agree in all cases, except for the few entries I mentioned above (and the ddz one). Overall, I think you did a great job! most of the fixes you suggested have been already incorporated and will be in the update we are preparing.
I'm also pleased to report that we integrated some more fixes from izius (from italian MAME boards) finally fixing ~100 pinballs which had been erroneously categorized as Fruit Machines
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: etabeta]
#336801 - 02/09/15 10:53 AM
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> First of all, thanks a lot to you for spending time reviewing the categories.
> I (and Scuore and Swos) greatly appreciate when users give us this kind of feedback,
> so feel free to report any other error you find!
Well, I think that:
20pacgal=Maze
20pacgalr0=Maze
20pacgalr1=Maze
20pacgalr2=Maze
20pacgalr3=Maze
20pacgalr4=Maze
25pacman=Maze
25pacmano=Maze
amclink=Casino
animalc=Maze / Surround
babypac=Pinball
babypac2=Pinball
claybust=Shooter / Gallery
claychal=Driving / Race
ddux=Fighter / 3D
ddux1=Fighter / 3D
dduxbl=Fighter / 3D
dduxj=Fighter / 3D
deluxe5=Puzzle
deluxe5a=Puzzle
deluxe5b=Puzzle
detest=Electromechanical - PinMAME
ejihon=Misc.
funystrp=Maze
gp2quiz=Puzzle / Outline *Mature*
janptr96=Multiplay *Mature*
kenseim=Fighter / Versus
kingpin=Multiplay
konamigt=Driving / Race (chase view)
koroleva=Mini-Games
kungfut=Puzzle / Match
kungfuta=Puzzle / Match
lasso=Maze / Surround
lastbank=Driving / Race Bike
liblrabl=Maze / Surround
luckboom=Casino
luckboomh=Casino
megat4b=Casino
multchmp=Puzzle
multchmpk=Puzzle
pc_tmnt2=Fighter / 2D
puckpepl=Maze
pzletime=Puzzle / Sliding
redearth=Fighter / 2D
redearthr1=Fighter / 2D
rf2=Driving / Race (chase view)
rolcrush=Puzzle / Match
sddz=Not Classified
starseek=Puzzle / Toss
tetriskr_cga=Puzzle / Drop
tmek=Fighter / Versus
top21=Casino *Mature*
unkpacg=Maze
v4cmaze=Casino
v4cmaze2=Casino
v4cmaze2a=Casino
v4cmaze2b=Casino
v4cmaze2c=Casino
v4cmaze2d=Casino
v4cmaze3=Casino
v4cmaze3a=Casino
v4cmaze3b=Casino
v4cmaze3c=Casino
v4cmaze3d=Casino
v4cmazea=Casino
v4cmazeb=Casino
v4cmazec=Casino
v4cmazed=Casino
v4cmazedat=Casino
warzard=Fighter / 2D
warzardr1=Fighter / 2D
xday2=Misc.
should be:
20pacgal=Multiplay
20pacgalr0=Multiplay
20pacgalr1=Multiplay
20pacgalr2=Multiplay
20pacgalr3=Multiplay
20pacgalr4=Multiplay
25pacman=Multiplay
25pacmano=Multiplay
amclink=Misc.
animalc=Misc.
babypac=Misc.
babypac2=Misc.
claybust=Shooter / Gun
claychal=Shooter / Gun
ddux=Fighter / 2.5D
ddux1=Fighter / 2.5D
dduxbl=Fighter / 2.5D
dduxj=Fighter / 2.5D
deluxe5=Multiplay
deluxe5a=Multiplay
deluxe5b=Multiplay
detest=Misc.
ejihon=Puzzle
funystrp=Maze *Mature*
gp2quiz=Quiz / English *Mature*
janptr96=Tabletop / Mahjong *Mature*
kenseim=Misc.
kingpin=Sports / Bowling
konamigt=Driving / Race 1st Person
koroleva=Maze
kungfut=Platform / Fighter
kungfuta=Platform / Fighter
lasso=Shooter / Misc.
lastbank=Casino
liblrabl=Puzzle / Outline
luckboom=Shooter / 3rd Person
luckboomh=Shooter / 3rd Person
megat4b=Multiplay
multchmp=Multiplay
multchmpk=Multiplay
pc_tmnt2=Fighter / 2.5D
puckpepl=Maze *Mature*
pzletime=Puzzle / Sliding *Mature*
redearth=Fighter / Versus
redearthr1=Fighter / Versus
rf2=Driving / Race 1st Person
rolcrush=Puzzle / Toss
sddz=Casino
starseek=Puzzle *Mature*
tetriskr_cga=System / Device
tmek=Shooter / 1st Person
top21=Casino
unkpacg=Casino
v4cmaze=Multiplay
v4cmaze2=Multiplay
v4cmaze2a=Multiplay
v4cmaze2b=Multiplay
v4cmaze2c=Multiplay
v4cmaze2d=Multiplay
v4cmaze3=Multiplay
v4cmaze3a=Multiplay
v4cmaze3b=Multiplay
v4cmaze3c=Multiplay
v4cmaze3d=Multiplay
v4cmazea=Multiplay
v4cmazeb=Multiplay
v4cmazec=Multiplay
v4cmazed=Multiplay
v4cmazedat=Multiplay
warzard=Fighter / Versus
warzardr1=Fighter / Versus
xday2=Quiz / Japanese
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Janez]
#336802 - 02/09/15 11:45 AM
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Warzard/Red Earth isn't a vs. fighter.
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Vas Crabb]
#336803 - 02/09/15 12:14 PM
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Janez]
#336804 - 02/09/15 12:45 PM
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> > Warzard/Red Earth isn't a vs. fighter.
>
> It really seems to be. Watch this video:
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JAAK3l0lMo
>
> What else could it be?
It's not a typical vs fighter. You face off against a fixed sequence of powerful monsters. The monsters you face and the order they appear is determined by your choice of character. None of the monsters are playable characters. It's more like Metamoqester than Street Fighter.
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Vas Crabb]
#336808 - 02/09/15 03:13 PM
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> It's not a typical vs fighter. You face off against a fixed sequence of powerful
> monsters. The monsters you face and the order they appear is determined by your
> choice of character. None of the monsters are playable characters. It's more like
> Metamoqester than Street Fighter.
So are they all "Fighter / Versus Co-op"?
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Janez]
#336854 - 02/10/15 09:27 PM
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Scuore]
#336870 - 02/11/15 07:38 AM
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Thanks for updating this.
One thing I never understood is why the following two subcategories are included in the Sports.ini file:
[ShooterField]
[ShooterFlying Horizontal]
Do you really think that games like 3stooges and asteroid should be classified as "Sports" games?
There is already a Shooter.ini file, so shouldn't those type of games be included in just that file instead of the Sports.ini file?
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Scuore]
#336889 - 02/12/15 04:29 AM
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> Made a lot of corrections and updated Catlist to 0.158_Fix. Thank you all for
> reporting wrong classifications!
>
> http://www.progettoemma.net/
Thanks for the hard work trying to keep this list accurate. I have some suggestions/corrections to add. The Player's Edge Plus games are casino games. There are 4 that are labeled as misc. These four are chips. These would probably be better classified as casino / misc. They are peivc006, peset001, peset004 and peset038.
Also, can you add a category for test / diagnostic roms such as...
sentetst
ctsttape
qbtrktst
tst_galx
tst_invd
qberttst
j2tst
m5tst
sf2amf2
blastero
sys1test
taitest
tf95_12
tfa_13
tfdmd_l3
tfs_12
cc_104
cubybop
detest
dogyuunt
ecap
hirolcat
j5tst1
j5tst2
j5tstal
kontest
llandert
m1tstunt
m3tst
m4rltst
m4tst
m4tst2
motofrenft
motofrenmf
rfjetsa
s80tst
I think those are all diagnostic and/or test and there may be more. It would be nice to be able to filter these without filtering games that are labeled as misc. Thanks again.
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Mr Ric]
#336899 - 02/12/15 07:57 AM
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for the moment all diagnostic chipsets / updater CDs / etc. remain under Misc.
the pe+ chips seem to fit the above, because (from what I can tell) they are used to setup the default configuration of the PCBs before installing the game-specific chipset
in a few months, we will have a re-organization of the categories which, among other things, will include a new category for the sets above.
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Scuore]
#336909 - 02/13/15 04:22 AM
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> Made a lot of corrections and updated Catlist to 0.158_Fix. Thank you all for
> reporting wrong classifications!
thanks for the fixed catver.ini!!
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Scuore]
#336916 - 02/13/15 04:45 PM
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OK, I think I found more errors:
beeline=Fruit Machines
brooklyn=Fruit Machines
brooklyna=Fruit Machines
caprcyc=Fruit Machines
circa33=Fruit Machines
cmanhat=Shooter / Flying Vertical
cntine31=Fruit Machines
cspin2=Fruit Machines
csplayh1=Tabletop / Hanafuda
csplayh5=Tabletop / Mahjong
csplayh7=Tabletop / Mahjong
dai2kaku=Tabletop
dangerz=Shooter / Command
ddz=Not Classified
deerhunte=Shooter / Field
defcmnd=Shooter / Flying
defence=Shooter / Flying
defenderb=Shooter / Flying
defenderg=Shooter / Flying
defndjeu=Shooter / Flying
detest=Electromechanical - PinMAME
disco79=Fruit Machines
domino2=Fruit Machines
erosone=Fruit Machines
fireball=Fruit Machines
foathens=Fruit Machines
fort2b=Shooter / Gallery
fort2ba=Shooter / Gallery
ggate=Fruit Machines
ggatea=Fruit Machines
inquiztr=Not Classified
j2tst=Fruit Machines
j5tst1=Fruit Machines
j5tst2=Fruit Machines
j5tstal=Fruit Machines
lastduel=Shooter / Flying Vertical
lastduelb=Shooter / Flying Vertical
lastduelj=Shooter / Flying Vertical
lastduelo=Shooter / Flying Vertical
lastsurv=Shooter / Field
llander=Shooter / Flying
llander1=Shooter / Flying
llandert=Shooter / Flying
m1tstunt=Fruit Machines
m3tst=Fruit Machines
m4rltst=Fruit Machines
m4tst=Electromechanical - PinMAME
m4tst2=Electromechanical - PinMAME
m5tst=Fruit Machines
michigan=Fruit Machines
michkit1=Fruit Machines
michkitb=Fruit Machines
michnew=Fruit Machines
michstake=Fruit Machines
missilex=Not Classified
montana=Fruit Machines
newdixie=Fruit Machines
paddlema=Sports / Tennis
penalty=Fruit Machines
pprobe=Shooter / Flying
pzletime=Puzzle / Sliding
raaspec=Shooter / Flying 1st Person
redearth=Fighter / Versus
redearthr1=Fighter / Versus
redhawki=Shooter / Misc. Vertical
royclark=Fruit Machines
s80tst=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sddz=Not Classified
senjyo=Shooter / Command
spkrbtl=Sports / Basketball
starshot=Fruit Machines
starshp1=Shooter / Command
starshpp=Shooter / Command
startrkd=Shooter / Flying
startrks=Shooter / Gallery
submar=Fruit Machines
subroc3d=Shooter / Command
superdix=Fruit Machines
suprpick=Fruit Machines
sys1test=Electromechanical - PinMAME
taitest=Electromechanical - PinMAME
takefive=Fruit Machines
terraf=Shooter / Misc. Horizontal
terrafb=Shooter / Misc. Horizontal
terrafj=Shooter / Flying Horizontal
terrafjb=Shooter / Misc. Horizontal
terrafu=Shooter / Misc. Horizontal
tf95_12=Electromechanical - PinMAME
tfa_13=Electromechanical - PinMAME
tfdmd_l3=Electromechanical - PinMAME
tfs_12=Electromechanical - PinMAME
thndbolt=Fruit Machines
toobin=Sports / Swimming
toobin1=Sports / Swimming
toobin2=Sports / Swimming
toobin2e=Sports / Swimming
toobine=Sports / Swimming
toobing=Sports / Swimming
topgame=Fruit Machines
topgamet=Fruit Machines
topshoot=Shooter / 1st Person
tornado1=Shooter / Flying
tornado2=Shooter / Flying
tripjok=Fruit Machines
tst_galx=Shooter / Gallery
tst_invd=Shooter / Gallery
turbosub7=Shooter / 1st Person
tvrs2=Shooter / Driving (chase view)
viper=Shooter / Command
viprp1u=Shooter / Misc. Vertical
warpsped=Shooter / Gallery
warzard=Fighter / Versus
warzardr1=Fighter / Versus
zero=Shooter / Flying
zodiack=Shooter / Flying
Should be:
beeline=Quiz / English
brooklyn=Electromechanical - PinMAME
brooklyna=Electromechanical - PinMAME
caprcyc=Electromechanical - PinMAME
circa33=Electromechanical - PinMAME
cmanhat=Misc.
cntine31=Electromechanical - PinMAME
cspin2=Electromechanical - PinMAME
csplayh1=Tabletop ############################ You can choose to play mahjong OR hanafuda
csplayh5=Tabletop ############################ You can choose to play mahjong OR hanafuda
csplayh7=Tabletop ############################ You can choose to play mahjong OR hanafuda
dai2kaku=Puzzle / Cards
dangerz=Shooter / Flying 1st Person
ddz=Casino ################################### You found out this is a Casino game, why "Not Classified"?
deerhunte=Shooter / Gun
defcmnd=Shooter / Flying Horizontal
defence=Shooter / Flying Horizontal
defenderb=Shooter / Flying Horizontal
defenderg=Shooter / Flying Horizontal
defndjeu=Shooter / Flying Horizontal
detest=Misc.
disco79=Electromechanical - PinMAME
domino2=Electromechanical - PinMAME
erosone=Electromechanical - PinMAME
fireball=Electromechanical - PinMAME
foathens=Electromechanical - PinMAME
fort2b=Shooter / Command
fort2ba=Shooter / Command
ggate=Electromechanical - PinMAME
ggatea=Electromechanical - PinMAME
inquiztr=Quiz / English
j2tst=Misc.
j5tst1=Misc.
j5tst2=Misc.
j5tstal=Misc.
lastduel=Shooter / Driving Vertical
lastduelb=Shooter / Driving Vertical
lastduelj=Shooter / Driving Vertical
lastduelo=Shooter / Driving Vertical
lastsurv=Shooter / 3rd Person
llander=Misc.
llander1=Misc.
llandert=Misc.
m1tstunt=Misc.
m3tst=Misc.
m4rltst=Misc.
m4tst=Misc.
m4tst2=Misc.
m5tst=Misc.
michigan=Electromechanical - PinMAME
michkit1=Electromechanical - PinMAME
michkitb=Electromechanical - PinMAME
michnew=Electromechanical - PinMAME
michstake=Electromechanical - PinMAME
missilex=Shooter / Gallery
montana=Electromechanical - PinMAME
newdixie=Electromechanical - PinMAME
paddlema=Sports ############################## This is not just tennis
penalty=Electromechanical - PinMAME
pprobe=Shooter / Misc. Horizontal
pzletime=Puzzle / Sliding *Mature* ########### This is "Puzzle / Sliding *Mature*", You need to configure the options to get the sexy images
raaspec=Misc.
redearth=Fighter / Versus Co-op
redearthr1=Fighter / Versus Co-op
redhawki=Shooter / Flying Vertical
royclark=Electromechanical - PinMAME
s80tst=Misc.
sddz=Casino ################################## You found out this is a Casino game, why "Not Classified"?
senjyo=Shooter / 1st Person
spkrbtl=Fighter / Versus
starshot=Electromechanical - PinMAME
starshp1=Shooter / 1st Person
starshpp=Shooter / 1st Person
startrkd=Shooter / Flying Horizontal
startrks=Maze / Shooter Small ################ I don't want to bother but "Shooter / Gallery" are games like Space Invaders or Carnival, this is like Battle City or Targ so to me is definitely a "Maze / Shooter Small"
submar=Electromechanical - PinMAME
subroc3d=Shooter / Flying 1st Person
superdix=Electromechanical - PinMAME
suprpick=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sys1test=Misc.
taitest=Misc.
takefive=Electromechanical - PinMAME
terraf=Shooter / Flying
terrafb=Shooter / Flying
terrafj=Shooter / Flying
terrafjb=Shooter / Flying
terrafu=Shooter / Flying
tf95_12=Misc.
tfa_13=Misc.
tfdmd_l3=Misc.
tfs_12=Misc.
thndbolt=Electromechanical - PinMAME
toobin=Sports
toobin1=Sports
toobin2=Sports
toobin2e=Sports
toobine=Sports
toobing=Sports
topgame=Electromechanical - PinMAME
topgamet=Electromechanical - PinMAME
topshoot=Sports
tornado1=Shooter / Flying Horizontal
tornado2=Shooter / Flying Horizontal
tripjok=Electromechanical - PinMAME
tst_galx=Misc.
tst_invd=Misc.
turbosub7=Shooter / Driving 1st Person
tvrs2=Platform / Fighter Scrolling
viper=Shooter / Flying 1st Person
viprp1u=Shooter / Flying Vertical
warpsped=Misc.
warzard=Fighter / Versus Co-op
warzardr1=Fighter / Versus Co-op
zero=Shooter / Flying Horizontal
zodiack=Shooter / Flying Vertical
Well, I think I'm done :-)
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Janez]
#336941 - 02/14/15 04:42 PM
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> Well, I think I'm done :-)
Not exactly, here some more:
cpokert=Casino
janoha=Tabletop / Hanafuda *Mature*
lastfortea=Puzzle / Match
lucky8b=Casino
magicbubb=Puzzle / Toss
megaman=Fighter / Versus
megamana=Fighter / Versus
megamn2d=Fighter / Versus
mmancp2u=Fighter / Versus
mmancp2ur1=Fighter / Versus
nunchaku=Platform / Fighter
promutrvc=Quiz / English
puzznic=Puzzle *Mature*
rmancp2j=Fighter / Versus
rockmanj=Fighter / Versus
sc1clatt=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc1lotus=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc1lotusa=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc1roul=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2bar7=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2bar7a=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2bar7b=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2bar7c=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2bar7d=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2bar7e=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2bar7f=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2bar7g=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2bar7h=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2bar7i=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2bar7j=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2bar7k=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2drwho=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2drwho1=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2drwho1p=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2drwho2=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2drwho2p=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2drwho3=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2drwho3p=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2drwho4=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2drwho4p=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2drwho5=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2drwho5p=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2drwho6=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2drwho6p=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2drwho7=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2drwho7p=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2drwhodx=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2drwhop=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2drwhou=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2focus=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2luvv=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2luvv1=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2luvv1p=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2luvv2=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2luvv2p=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2luvv4=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2luvv4p=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2luvv6p=Electromechanical - PinMAME
sc2luvvp=Electromechanical - PinMAME
striderjr=Platform / Shooter Scrolling
trvmstrb=Quiz / English
usg182=Casino
v4addlad=Casino
v4skltrk=Casino
v4skltrka=Casino
Should be:
cpokert=Casino *Mature*
janoha=Tabletop / Mahjong *Mature*
lastfortea=Puzzle / Match *Mature*
lucky8b=Casino *Mature*
magicbubb=Puzzle / Toss *Mature*
megaman=Fighter / Versus Co-op
megamana=Fighter / Versus Co-op
megamn2d=Fighter / Versus Co-op
mmancp2u=Fighter / Versus Co-op
mmancp2ur1=Fighter / Versus Co-op
nunchaku=Platform / Fighter Scrolling
promutrvc=Quiz / English *Mature*
puzznic=Puzzle
rmancp2j=Fighter / Versus Co-op
rockmanj=Fighter / Versus Co-op
sc1clatt=Fruit Machines
sc1lotus=Fruit Machines
sc1lotusa=Fruit Machines
sc1roul=Fruit Machines
sc2bar7=Fruit Machines
sc2bar7a=Fruit Machines
sc2bar7b=Fruit Machines
sc2bar7c=Fruit Machines
sc2bar7d=Fruit Machines
sc2bar7e=Fruit Machines
sc2bar7f=Fruit Machines
sc2bar7g=Fruit Machines
sc2bar7h=Fruit Machines
sc2bar7i=Fruit Machines
sc2bar7j=Fruit Machines
sc2bar7k=Fruit Machines
sc2drwho=Fruit Machines
sc2drwho1=Fruit Machines
sc2drwho1p=Fruit Machines
sc2drwho2=Fruit Machines
sc2drwho2p=Fruit Machines
sc2drwho3=Fruit Machines
sc2drwho3p=Fruit Machines
sc2drwho4=Fruit Machines
sc2drwho4p=Fruit Machines
sc2drwho5=Fruit Machines
sc2drwho5p=Fruit Machines
sc2drwho6=Fruit Machines
sc2drwho6p=Fruit Machines
sc2drwho7=Fruit Machines
sc2drwho7p=Fruit Machines
sc2drwhodx=Fruit Machines
sc2drwhop=Fruit Machines
sc2drwhou=Fruit Machines
sc2focus=Fruit Machines
sc2luvv=Fruit Machines
sc2luvv1=Fruit Machines
sc2luvv1p=Fruit Machines
sc2luvv2=Fruit Machines
sc2luvv2p=Fruit Machines
sc2luvv4=Fruit Machines
sc2luvv4p=Fruit Machines
sc2luvv6p=Fruit Machines
sc2luvvp=Fruit Machines
striderjr=Platform / Fighter Scrolling
trvmstrb=Quiz / English *Mature*
usg182=Multiplay *Mature*
v4addlad=Quiz / English
v4skltrk=Quiz / English
v4skltrka=Quiz / English
Now (I think) I'm done.
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Janez]
#336942 - 02/14/15 06:17 PM
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thanks a lot for the useful reports!
I have a few comments (the rest has been already included and it will be part of next catver), though, and I'd like to know your opinion as well
> dai2kaku=Puzzle / Cards
I don't think this is correct. the game clearly seems a Tabletop game, along the lines of Uno and similar card games (which fit the Table Top definition, as long as no gambling is involved)
> ddz=Casino ################################### You found out this is a Casino game,
> why "Not Classified"?
> sddz=Casino ################################## You found out this is a Casino game,
> why "Not Classified"?
because the snap I've found so far is only for the sddz set, and it does not clarify whether it is a Tabletop game or a Gambling one... still searching for a definite answer
> paddlema=Sports ############################## This is not just tennis
Categories are used to give an idea of which kind of games you will play. In this case, even if it's not 100% tennis, I think that tagging the game as Tennis provides more info than generically tagging it as Sports. Otherwise 99% of futuristic sports (+ weird things like pigskin or arch rivals) should be moved to generic Sports as well... I'm open to discussion on this however: there is not a right/wrong way to attribute genres to games, and the categories should make users' experience more enjoyable rather than create rigid rules
> pprobe=Shooter / Misc. Horizontal
doesn't this qualify for Shooter / Gallery instead?
> spkrbtl=Fighter / Versus
nope. this was in the wrong category (thanks for catching it) but it is a 3d beat'em up (like dynamite cop)
diehard, instead, it's 2.5 beat'em up since you cannot fight in all directions
> startrks=Maze / Shooter Small ################ I don't want to bother but "Shooter /
> Gallery" are games like Space Invaders or Carnival, this is like Battle City or Targ
> so to me is definitely a "Maze / Shooter Small"
you convinced me. I think that the maze genre should have a predominant maze component, but for the moment it is the category which better fits the game
> toobin=Sports
> toobin1=Sports
> toobin2=Sports
> toobin2e=Sports
> toobine=Sports
> toobing=Sports
while you are not technically swimming in this game, you are still doing a sort of "downhill slalom" in the river, while moving water with your hands...
> topshoot=Sports
In this case, I'm tempted to classify it as basketball, since you are basically shooting fouls shots for bets...
> warpsped=Misc.
This seems a bit of a "Driving / 1st Person" or "Driving / Plane" game, since you have to guide your spaceship and avoid "asteroids" while trying to get as far as you can... opinions?
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: etabeta]
#336947 - 02/14/15 08:19 PM
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> thanks a lot for the useful reports!
> I have a few comments (the rest has been already included and it will be part of next
> catver), though, and I'd like to know your opinion as well
>
> > dai2kaku=Puzzle / Cards
> I don't think this is correct. the game clearly seems a Tabletop game, along the
> lines of Uno and similar card games (which fit the Table Top definition, as long as
> no gambling is involved)
You are right.
> > ddz=Casino ################################### You found out this is a Casino game,
> > why "Not Classified"?
> > sddz=Casino ################################## You found out this is a Casino game,
> > why "Not Classified"?
> because the snap I've found so far is only for the sddz set, and it does not clarify
> whether it is a Tabletop game or a Gambling one... still searching for a definite
> answer
Ok, maybe it is better to put it under a category, then correct it if wrong.
> > paddlema=Sports ############################## This is not just tennis
> Categories are used to give an idea of which kind of games you will play. In this
> case, even if it's not 100% tennis, I think that tagging the game as Tennis provides
> more info than generically tagging it as Sports. Otherwise 99% of futuristic sports
> (+ weird things like pigskin or arch rivals) should be moved to generic Sports as
> well... I'm open to discussion on this however: there is not a right/wrong way to
> attribute genres to games, and the categories should make users' experience more
> enjoyable rather than create rigid rules
The point is, every game under the "Sport / Tennis" category is about just tennis (or squash).
Pigskin is about rugby and Arch Rivals is about basket with some weirdness on them.
Paddle Mania is not about tennis, it is some futuristic weird sport with a paddle.
> > pprobe=Shooter / Misc. Horizontal
> doesn't this qualify for Shooter / Gallery instead?
Maybe, but you scroll to the right so...
> > spkrbtl=Fighter / Versus
> nope. this was in the wrong category (thanks for catching it) but it is a 3d beat'em
> up (like dynamite cop)
> diehard, instead, it's 2.5 beat'em up since you cannot fight in all directions
Ok.
> > toobin=Sports
> > toobin1=Sports
> > toobin2=Sports
> > toobin2e=Sports
> > toobine=Sports
> > toobing=Sports
> while you are not technically swimming in this game, you are still doing a sort of
> "downhill slalom" in the river, while moving water with your hands...
Ok, but this does not qualify it to the "Sports / Swimming" category.
> > topshoot=Sports
> In this case, I'm tempted to classify it as basketball, since you are basically
> shooting fouls shots for bets...
It is the same concept as the one about Paddle Mania. There is a ball and a basket, but it is not basketball.
> > warpsped=Misc.
> This seems a bit of a "Driving / 1st Person" or "Driving / Plane" game, since you
> have to guide your spaceship and avoid "asteroids" while trying to get as far as you
> can... opinions?
This is hard to define, it can be "Driving / 1st Person" but you don't drive, or "Shooter / Flying 1st Person" but you don't shoot, or "Driving / Race 1st Person" but it is not a race.
"Driving / Plane" fits well enough but it is not a plane.
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Janez]
#336983 - 02/16/15 01:11 PM
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I've re-classified more sets according to your reports, and I've fixed a few spare mistakes (e.g. braveff was marked as belonging to the Platform genre)
thanks again for the careful review of the inis: it's always good to have fresh eyes double checking the job
feel free to report more errors if you find them, except if they are about Fruit Machine / Electromechanical classification, because we are going to reorganize those genre a little bit for 0.159 and it's better to wait until we are done before reporting further mistakes that could have been already fixed
> > > pprobe=Shooter / Misc. Horizontal
> > doesn't this qualify for Shooter / Gallery instead?
>
> Maybe, but you scroll to the right so...
>
let me think a bit more about this...
> > > toobin=Sports
> > > toobin1=Sports
> > > toobin2=Sports
> > > toobin2e=Sports
> > > toobine=Sports
> > > toobing=Sports
> > while you are not technically swimming in this game, you are still doing a sort of
> > "downhill slalom" in the river, while moving water with your hands...
>
> Ok, but this does not qualify it to the "Sports / Swimming" category.
how does Swimmer qualify to this category, then, in your standard? you are not in a pool in that game either, and you don't compete with others to win a "race"
if we are going to be strict about what belongs to the sports category, then we would have to be strict in all cases, and reclassify dozen of them because rules are often bent for gameplay reasons
I'd rather be a little bit more elastic here
> > > warpsped=Misc.
> > This seems a bit of a "Driving / 1st Person" or "Driving / Plane" game, since you
> > have to guide your spaceship and avoid "asteroids" while trying to get as far as
> you
> > can... opinions?
>
> This is hard to define, it can be "Driving / 1st Person" but you don't drive, or
> "Shooter / Flying 1st Person" but you don't shoot, or "Driving / Race 1st Person" but
> it is not a race.
> "Driving / Plane" fits well enough but it is not a plane.
well, you steer your vehicle in various directions... so you're driving, even if not with a steering wheel
I guess we shall extend the "Driving / Plane" name to better describe the fact spaceships are allowed as well
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: etabeta]
#336987 - 02/16/15 05:11 PM
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> feel free to report more errors if you find them, except if they are about Fruit
> Machine / Electromechanical classification, because we are going to reorganize those
> genre a little bit for 0.159 and it's better to wait until we are done before
> reporting further mistakes that could have been already fixed
Fine, I already made a post in this very thread.
> > > > toobin=Sports
> > > > toobin1=Sports
> > > > toobin2=Sports
> > > > toobin2e=Sports
> > > > toobine=Sports
> > > > toobing=Sports
> > > while you are not technically swimming in this game, you are still doing a sort
> of
> > > "downhill slalom" in the river, while moving water with your hands...
> >
> > Ok, but this does not qualify it to the "Sports / Swimming" category.
>
> how does Swimmer qualify to this category, then, in your standard? you are not in a
> pool in that game either, and you don't compete with others to win a "race"
> if we are going to be strict about what belongs to the sports category, then we would
> have to be strict in all cases, and reclassify dozen of them because rules are often
> bent for gameplay reasons
> I'd rather be a little bit more elastic here
Ok but in Swimmer you swim, in Toobin you float.
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: etabeta]
#337009 - 02/17/15 05:06 AM
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> well, you steer your vehicle in various directions... so you're driving, even if not
> with a steering wheel
> I guess we shall extend the "Driving / Plane" name to better describe the fact
> spaceships are allowed as well
Navigating is a more appropriate word, I think. Not driving. Are there any driving (like... with a car) games that aren't a racing game or off-road type setting (like monster trucks and dirt bikes and such)? Doesn't seem like fun. If there isn't, then the category should be "Flying / Navigating" Since pretty much all of the car/motorcycle stuff should fall under Race or Off-road or something like that.
Please excuse my ignorance; the thread caught my interest, but I'm on a lunch break and don't have time to actually examine the contents of the category files...
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
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#337010 - 02/17/15 05:35 AM
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@etabeta... I'd like to know what you think about my previous post:
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One thing I never understood is why the following two subcategories are included in the Sports.ini file:
[ShooterField]
[ShooterFlying Horizontal]
Do you really think that games like 3stooges and asteroid should be classified as "Sports" games?
There is already a Shooter.ini file, so shouldn't those type of games be included in just that file instead of the Sports.ini file?
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Big Karnak]
#337037 - 02/18/15 12:12 PM
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> @etabeta... I'd like to know what you think about my previous post:
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> One thing I never understood is why the following two subcategories are included in
> the Sports.ini file:
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> [ShooterField]
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> [ShooterFlying Horizontal]
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> Do you really think that games like 3stooges and asteroid should be classified as
> "Sports" games?
>
> There is already a Shooter.ini file, so shouldn't those type of games be included in
> just that file instead of the Sports.ini file?
This has been fixed a few days ago and it should not happen anymore in 0.159
The problem was that a few games were assigned the wrong genre, i.e. we had a game with "Sports" as genre & "Shooter / Field" as category, and another game with "Sports" as genre & "Shooter / Flying Horizontal" as category. This lead the script to correctly include those category in the corresponding Sports.ini, even if it should not have happened.
Similarly, there was a game with "Platform" as genre and "Shooter / Gun" as category, leading to another erroneous addition to Platform.ini
We have also added a new double-check procedure to reduce odds of this happening again in future
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Re: Catlist 0.158 out !
[Re: Janez]
#337039 - 02/18/15 03:49 PM
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> > feel free to report more errors if you find them, except if they are about Fruit
> > Machine / Electromechanical classification, because we are going to reorganize
> those
> > genre a little bit for 0.159 and it's better to wait until we are done before
> > reporting further mistakes that could have been already fixed
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> Fine, I already made a post in this very thread.
Those have been included already, before my post above
I was monitoring the thread
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