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What is "Maygay" and why is there so many "NOT WORKING" ROMs?
#315520 - 10/08/13 11:05 PM


What is "Maygay" and why is there so many "NOT WORKING" ROMs?

can anybody tell me what they are and why don't they work?


just wondering.



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Re: What is "Maygay" and why is there so many "NOT WORKING" ROMs? new [Re: scoobydude51]
#315521 - 10/08/13 11:15 PM


> What is "Maygay" and why is there so many "NOT WORKING" ROMs?
>
> can anybody tell me what they are and why don't they work?
>
>
> just wondering.

Slot machines and pinball machines aren't playable because those require machines.

But the video slots and video pinball's are playable. Except on the ones that are marked in red.

Same for every single games.

Marked in red mean not working because of protection, issues, no machine, not fully written and not fully dump. Don't worry about these.



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Re: What is "Maygay" and why is there so many "NOT WORKING" ROMs? new [Re: scoobydude51]
#315522 - 10/08/13 11:16 PM


> What is "Maygay" and why is there so many "NOT WORKING" ROMs?
>
> can anybody tell me what they are and why don't they work?
>
>
> just wondering.

looks like fruit machine stuff from what google images shows. The other results did have me laughing, especially the Pokémon YouTube Poop - May is gay hit.

you can also search the mameinfo.dat for that stuff



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Re: What is "Maygay" and why is there so many "NOT WORKING" ROMs? new [Re: scoobydude51]
#315524 - 10/09/13 12:06 AM


> Why is there so many "NOT WORKING" ROMs?

Because MAME is, on paper, primarily a documentation project. This is not always "convenient" for people who view it merely as a source of entertainment.

Not Working status means an incomplete ROM dump or incomplete emulation.

You can see why the various maygay systems are listed as not working right here in the MAME source code (relevant text in red):

http://mamedev.org/source/src/mame/drivers/maygay1b.c.html
http://mamedev.org/source/src/mame/drivers/maygay1bsw.c.html
http://mamedev.org/source/src/mame/drivers/maygayep.c.html
http://mamedev.org/source/src/mame/drivers/maygaysw.c.html
http://mamedev.org/source/src/mame/drivers/maygayv1.c.html

"ROM dumping" is the act of reading out the game code from ROM chips on the game circuit board.

For various reasons it is not always possible to dump everything using conventional tools, in some cases highly specialized equipment is needed, and/or a special set of skills. It's better to have an incomplete ROM dump available than nothing at all.

Some games can still work when the dump is known to be incomplete. In many cases, as a temporary fix, the missing data is borrowed from the dump of another version of the same game.

Once there is a complete or better dump available the missing data is added. This can be confusing to newcomers because it usually means that a game that used to work no longer works because of missing files or renaming, as the ROM sets are rearranged.

Also see the MAME FAQ: http://mamedev.org/devwiki/index.php?title=FAQ:ROMs

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Re: What is "Maygay" and why is there so many "NOT WORKING" ROMs? new [Re: Dullaron]
#315583 - 10/09/13 04:19 PM


so technically, they are not arcade machine cabinets. they slot and pinball machines? is that what you are saying?



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Re: What is "Maygay" and why is there so many "NOT WORKING" ROMs? new [Re: scoobydude51]
#315586 - 10/09/13 04:44 PM


> so technically, they are not arcade machine cabinets. they slot and pinball machines?
> is that what you are saying?

Cabinets come in many shapes and sizes. A CRT (video) only display is not the definition of arcade, in the broad sense. To me, an arcade game is any gaming device which has been put into the public for consumption which generally requires real money investment to play, use or enjoy. Pinball machine owners would argue that their Pinball machines are every bit as much as a "cabinet" as any other arcade machine... same with gambling devices.

To answer your earlier questions about so many NOT_WORKING games - there is a lot of work to do before any game can be made working and the gamblers is largely virgin territory and require a lot of work on them to be considered playable and functioning. It doesn't lessen the need to document romsets as they are found and researched since MAME is a living documentation project for everything related to arcades. Many times MAME is used for reference more than simply for game playing - to help owners of the dying numbers of these original machines' maintain and repair them with the knowledge in the source files and other related files.



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Re: What is "Maygay" and why is there so many "NOT WORKING" ROMs? new [Re: Tafoid]
#315603 - 10/09/13 07:53 PM


> To me, an arcade game is any gaming device
> which has been put into the public for consumption which generally requires real
> money investment to play, use or enjoy.

The word somehow derives from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcade_(architecture)

I believe the term refers to there being rows of cabinets next to each other. A single video game is not an arcade.

Because the term has been misused so much, trying to argue over it's meaning is pretty pointless.

IMO A row of slot machines is as much an arcade as a row of video games. I agree that it doesn't tie up with what Nicola originally meant by Arcade Machine, but he got it wrong too (he might have known but really needed a vowel there).

Edited by smf (10/09/13 07:54 PM)


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