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#304668 - 02/21/13 07:59 AM
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Re: PS4
[Re: joey35car]
#304669 - 02/21/13 08:26 AM
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Re: PS4
[Re: krick]
#304670 - 02/21/13 08:33 AM
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> *yawn*
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> I still haven't found a good reason to buy a PS3.
I still haven't found a good reason to buy something from SONY, expecially when I discovered that HD-DVD was better than Blu-Ray... Quite off-topic from MAME but it's true.
Edited by Mamesick (02/21/13 08:33 AM)
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Re: PS4
[Re: Mamesick]
#304675 - 02/21/13 12:10 PM
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> I still haven't found a good reason to buy something from SONY, expecially when I
> discovered that HD-DVD was better than Blu-Ray... Quite off-topic from MAME but it's
> true.
Justify or delete.
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Re: PS4
[Re: Mamesick]
#304676 - 02/21/13 02:05 PM
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> expecially when I discovered that HD-DVD was better than Blu-Ray...
Hahahahaha, what? I own both. HD-DVD holds less data, reads it slower, supports only lower quality audio, and the players were a trainwreck of bad hardware and worse firmware.
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Re: PS4
[Re: joey35car]
#304680 - 02/21/13 03:38 PM
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18 years of the worst D pad I've ever used.
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Re: PS4
[Re: Smitdogg]
#304681 - 02/21/13 04:12 PM
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Re: PS4
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#304682 - 02/21/13 04:13 PM
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Re: PS4
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#304684 - 02/21/13 04:44 PM
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> Hahahahaha, what? I own both. HD-DVD holds less data, reads it slower, supports only
> lower quality audio, and the players were a trainwreck of bad hardware and worse
> firmware.
It seems like there's always a perception, deserved or not, that the loser in a format war was technically superior. I remember people lamenting back in the day that Betamax was superior to VHS, too. I guess it fits the narrative of eeevil corporations conspiring to screw us over.
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Re: PS4
[Re: DMala]
#304686 - 02/21/13 05:26 PM
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technically, betamax actually WAS better than VHS... VHS won that war because the pr0n industry produced vastly more content on VHS than it ever did on Betamax (which it DID, contrary to popular belief)
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Re: PS4
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#304690 - 02/21/13 06:13 PM
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> technically, betamax actually WAS better than VHS... VHS won that war because the
> pr0n industry produced vastly more content on VHS than it ever did on Betamax (which
> it DID, contrary to popular belief)
Right. Beta was significantly superior enough that a slightly modified version became the worldwide broadcast standard in the 80s/90s and successor digital and HD versions are still used today by TV news crews.
Given how much Betacam and DigiBeta gear Sony sold I think they probably were ultimately OK with losing the home market.
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Re: PS4
[Re: DMala]
#304693 - 02/21/13 06:18 PM
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I read it was some executives getting the porn industry to use VHS as standard that helped it win the war early. The bigger box size didn't hurt for advertising either. I watched a movie once in the 80s on beta and it was indeed clear as could be.
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Re: PS4
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#304695 - 02/21/13 06:24 PM
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>>The bigger box size didn't hurt
ba-doomp-boom-pssh!
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Let's see what Nintendo and Xbox come up with against Sony.
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#304697 - 02/21/13 07:25 PM
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I think Sony getting pretty bad on their models now.
Edited by Dullaron (02/22/13 11:35 AM)
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Re: PS4
[Re: Mamesick]
#304698 - 02/21/13 08:05 PM
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Since when has HD-DVD been better then BluRay? They hold 15gb vs 25gb for BluRay.Hmm I guess somebody needs to tell Toshiba to fire up those HD-DVD players molds and start manufacturing them again. 
On a side note I still have my HD-DVD expansion for the 360.Well worth the $12.00 I bought it + 10 HD-DVD movies for @ the pawnshop...
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Re: PS4
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#304699 - 02/21/13 08:12 PM
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Hmm these 2 new consoles by Sony and Microsoft are nothing more then non upgradable PC's shoved in a console shell.Both the PS4 and Xbox 720 will have to something *REALLY* special to get me to buy one.(console exclusive games no longer count)I can already see next gen gaming at my house-a Wii U for Nintendo games and a kick ass PC for everything else
On a side note did anyone hear anything about used games being locked out? That would be the silliest idea yet other then the new Xbox requiring a Kinect sensor to be attached AT ALL TIMES in order to function
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Re: PS4
[Re: joey35car]
#304710 - 02/22/13 12:39 AM
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NBC... meh.
Other pieces with lines like, "Why didn't Sony show the PlayStation 4 console at the PlayStation 4 unveiling? The truth is, it did." Except, it didn't. The console IS the physical thing. The truth is, you wouldn't know the truth if someone share-buttoned it at you.
Why would Ubi title a game "Watch Dogs," rather than "Watchdogs," if it isn't about being a pet sitter?
Argh, I'd go on, but there's a meal to be hunted down about now. Gotta go shoot me a bread loaf and a couple head of cabbage to go with the meats.
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Do not compute your comment...
[Re: Dullaron]
#304713 - 02/22/13 02:35 AM
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Let's see? The Wii U is already collecting dust on shelves everywhere. It's turning out to be a flop...
I really don't understand why, myself... the damn thing is crazy fun! I'm not at all disappointed that I bought one. BEST. MARIO. GAME. EVER.
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Re: PS4
[Re: mesk]
#304714 - 02/22/13 02:58 AM
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there will always be a niche for console games. Sure, the PC will be more powerful than the PS4 not too long after PS4's release, but PC games are somewhat generic in nature. Developing for a console allows said developers to know exactly what hardware everyone is dealing with and tweak the crap out of everything.
Biggest problem I see with PS4 going to x86-64 is the DRM. Once it's cracked, you'll be able to play the games on your PC, probably without an emulator! They had better get it right this time...
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Re: PS4
[Re: R. Belmont]
#304719 - 02/22/13 03:54 AM
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> > technically, betamax actually WAS better than VHS... VHS won that war because the
> > pr0n industry produced vastly more content on VHS than it ever did on Betamax
> (which
> > it DID, contrary to popular belief)
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> Right. Beta was significantly superior enough that a slightly modified version became
> the worldwide broadcast standard in the 80s/90s and successor digital and HD versions
> are still used today by TV news crews.
Bwahaha Betacam is definitely not a "slightly modified version" of Betamax - it runs the tape at close to six times the speed, uses completely different heads, has wider helical tracks, and records separate helical tracks for luma and chroma side-by-side (rather than frequency-modulating the luma, frequency-shifting the chroma and recording it on a single track like Betamax and VHS). The only thing it has in common is the tape/cassette form factor, but you can't use Betamax cassettes for Betacam because the spools and guide rollers aren't reliable at the far higher tape speed.
Betacam SP changed the tape formulation to metal, which improved quality but also increased degradation with repeated playback. It also introduced a larger cassette format to get past the 30 minute playtime of original Betacam.
Anyway, Betamax had superior video quality, but VHS was superior in two areas that matter to home users: maximum playtime and tape wear. The first is obvious, but the second is a result of implementation detail. Betamax VCRs keep the tape wrapped around the heads with the drum spinning the whole time the cassette is loaded, which increases wear when stopped, and on fast forward and rewind.
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Re: PS4
[Re: URherenow]
#304724 - 02/22/13 04:09 AM
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> there will always be a niche for console games. Sure, the PC will be more powerful
> than the PS4 not too long after PS4's release, but PC games are somewhat generic in
> nature.
What? I would suggest that the exact opposite is true. Developing for a console requires expensive licenses (XBLA, Playstation Store, and Wii Shop notwithstanding). Console games tend to be multimillion dollar, AAA productions, and so tend to stick to proven genres and existing franchises. PCs have their share of AAA titles, but anyone with a compiler can make a game. With services like Steam, GOG, and all the indie bundles, you can find an almost unlimited number of unique or even experimental games.
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Re: PS4
[Re: DMala]
#304727 - 02/22/13 04:34 AM
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By generic, I'm talking about the engine that drives the game. Audio. Video. RAM use (system AND video)... For a PC, they have to test on a variety of hardware and sacrifices have to be made to play acceptably on lower hardware, and even with high end hardware, such as video cards, you still have no less than 2 manufacturers to support, each with its own unique tweaks and such. Hell ram quantity, ram speed, cpu manufacturer, cpu speed, motherboards... I could go on and on about things that will affect performance from PC to PC.
On a console, what you see is what you get, so developers can tweak the crap out of everything, and be confident that the experience by the end user will be exactly how they envisioned/intended. This goes for online gaming as well. With a console, the only factor you have to worry about is your ISP's connection. Your buddy across town, on the same ISP, isn't as likely to have an advantage over you because of hardware/driver related lag and such on a console as can happen with a PC. Ping time can be a bi***.
Really, the #1 thing that keeps PC gaming alive is the relatively easy ability to MOD.
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Re: PS4
[Re: URherenow]
#304732 - 02/22/13 06:10 AM
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> Sure, the PC will be more powerful
> than the PS4 not too long after PS4's release, but PC games are somewhat generic in
> nature.
PC's are already faster than the PS4. I'm not sure where this fallacy that consoles are faster than PC's and PC's have to "catch up" came from but it's never been true (unless you have an ancient PC).
As for PC games being generic in nature, I don't know what you're smoking but there are more innovative games on PC than consoles by a long shot. Almost all console games are ported to the PC anyway. I have nothing against consoles (I own a PS3 and had an XBox 360 until recently) but your statements are completely wrong.
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Re: PS4
[Re: URherenow]
#304734 - 02/22/13 07:06 AM
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> By generic, I'm talking about the engine that drives the game. Audio. Video. RAM use
> (system AND video)... For a PC, they have to test on a variety of hardware and
> sacrifices have to be made to play acceptably on lower hardware, and even with high
> end hardware, such as video cards, you still have no less than 2 manufacturers to
> support, each with its own unique tweaks and such. Hell ram quantity, ram speed, cpu
> manufacturer, cpu speed, motherboards... I could go on and on about things that will
> affect performance from PC to PC.
I see what you're saying. I have heard of game developers having to scale down their games a little, so they run on PCs that people can actually afford, but those are typically bleeding edge features that are likely beyond the abilities of contemporary consoles anyway. PC games have to be a little more flexible and let you turn off the eye candy to run on lower-end PCs, but if you're running fully maxed out, I don't think you're sacrificing much of anything in visual quality compared to a console in most cases.
The need to support specific hardware has basically been a non-issue since DirectX and OpenGL gained traction as standards, at least on Windows. Creating a game, you use DirectX (and/or OpenGL) and it's the hardware manufacturer's problem to support you. You see it all the time in video driver updates, they tweak (and occasionally break) their drivers like crazy to make sure the hot game du jour runs as fast as possible.
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[Re: Waremonger]
#304736 - 02/22/13 07:31 AM
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maybe you should have read my other post below first :smh:
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Re: PS4
[Re: URherenow]
#304745 - 02/22/13 10:42 AM
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The uniformity of a console does indeed allow a developer to push the system to deliver more than could be done on a PC using hardware of the same generation as the console, and perhaps even one a generation or two newer.
But by the time they manage to learn how to do that, the PCs have gone through... how many generations? The graphics chip in the PS3 is/was a stripped-down version of one available for PC. The PC version was discontinued before the PS3 ever made it to retail, in 2006. It's been superseded 5 times over now.
Other components are similar. Average-to-good for the time they announced it, in 2005, with potential fully realized only long after.
Meanwhile, they drag the PC versions of things down for all those years, when they're old hardware from day one.
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Re: Do not compute your comment...
[Re: URherenow]
#304748 - 02/22/13 11:36 AM
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> Let's see? The Wii U is already collecting dust on shelves everywhere. It's turning
> out to be a flop...
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> I really don't understand why, myself... the damn thing is crazy fun! I'm not at all
> disappointed that I bought one. BEST. MARIO. GAME. EVER.
Waiting on it to go cheaper so that I can buy one. $60 or under is a good deal.
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Re: Do not compute your comment...
[Re: Dullaron]
#304754 - 02/22/13 01:26 PM
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Well ignoring the hardwares potential, I think it's awesome that the man behind Marble Madness was one of the leads in designing the hardware.!!!
A man responsible for blowing my mind nearly 30yrs ago as a young kid in an arcade seeing those weird,wonderful graphics, comes back into my life in 2013 with the PS4.
Strange times.
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