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Thanks to the kind generosity of the three co-founders of Videa—Howard Delman, Ed Rotberg, and Roger Hector—the original ROM images from the only existing Gridlee machine have been made available for free, non-commercial use.
Gridlee is a game that was never released. It was developed by Videa, Inc. in 1982, on hardware designed by Howard Delman. Videa was eventually acquired by Pizza Time Theater and formed the core of their new Sente Technologies division.
The hardware that Gridlee ran on evolved into the Bally/Sente SAC I system, which provided a cartridge-based arcade gaming platform that supported such games as Snake Pit, Stocker, and Hat Trick.
Emulation Technology: MAME 0.139u1.
Note: Gridlee is not officially endorsed by Nicola Salmoria or the MAME Team. Gridlee is based on the MAME4iOS Reloaded Project by Seleuco.
http://code.google.com/p/imame4all/
"Gridlee was developed, and the copyright owned, by Videa, Inc. When Videa was dissolved, its remaining assets were distributed among Ed Rotberg, Roger Hector, and I. We currently own the rights to Gridlee. As one of the owners of the rights to Gridlee, I hereby declare that the Gridlee ROM images may be freely duplicated and used by MAME users for non-commercial use. I also declare that the marquee art may be duplicated for non-commercial purposes"
Howard Delman
April 24, 2001
iTunes Link: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/gridlee/id595117070?l=es&ls=1&mt=8
Edited by ahh (01/29/13 07:20 PM)
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
[Re: ahh]
#303308 - 01/26/13 09:07 PM
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Fair warning: MAMEdev has permission to distribute those ROMs from the mamedev.org site; it does not mean anybody else does from anywhere else. Did whoever posted this app get separate permission? (For example, the Google Chrome Store version of MAME which includes Robby Roto has that separate permission from the rightsholders).
Edited by R. Belmont (01/26/13 09:09 PM)
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
[Re: R. Belmont]
#303310 - 01/26/13 10:33 PM
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Hi, Howard.
I'm asking you permission to bundle the rom files, which I have, with the iOS and android MAME emulators. This is needed since Apple don't allow download rom content by the final user and must be bundled with the emulator itself.
Also I plan to publish, if you let me,a Gridlee app on the Apple app store using the mame emulation core. This app will be free of course, source code available
Thanks for all.
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Hi. I thought people who are interested in using MAME, regardless of the platform, get the ROM code from various internet sources. I just did a google search on "gridlee rom image" and the first hit was http://mamedev.org/roms/gridlee/
According to the read.me file...
"Permission to redistribute these ROMs freely, for non-commercial use in
the MAME emulator, has been granted by the original owners: Howard Delman, Roger Hector, and Ed Rotberg."
I went back into my own email "sent" folder, and found the email from 2001 that granted permission. I'll forward it to you after I send you this.
Good luck,
Howard
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
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#303318 - 01/27/13 03:30 AM
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> Fair warning: MAMEdev has permission to distribute those ROMs from the mamedev.org
> site; it does not mean anybody else does from anywhere else. Did whoever posted this
> app get separate permission? (For example, the Google Chrome Store version of MAME
> which includes Robby Roto has that separate permission from the rightsholders).
It's probably moot. It's apparently trivial to replace the Gridlee ROMs with any that MAME supports. (I'm currently still investigating this.) Once Apple gets wind of that, they'll pull it anyway.
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
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#303319 - 01/27/13 03:36 AM
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> It's probably moot. It's apparently trivial to replace the Gridlee ROMs with any that
> MAME supports. (I'm currently still investigating this.) Once Apple gets wind of
> that, they'll pull it anyway.
The "Best of FTA" Apple IIgs emulator has been like that since 2009 (not to mention an animated gay sex Easter Egg in one of the included demos, if you know how to trigger it) and Apple hasn't lifted a finger 
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
[Re: ahh]
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
[Re: DMala]
#303323 - 01/27/13 05:16 AM
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Do you need to jailbreak the phone to replace the ROMs?
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
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#303327 - 01/27/13 07:22 AM
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> Do you need to jailbreak the phone to replace the ROMs?
Hah, not remotely. You just need iExplorer. When you look at the Gridlee app in iExplorer, it has the usual MAME folders in its Documents area. Just drop whatever ROMs you want into the roms folder. Apparently it auto-launches Gridlee by virtue of the fact that it's the only ROM in the folder. When there are multiple, you get the usual MAME game selection interface.
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I can imaging two weeks later someone report it having nasty stuff in there. xD
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#303330 - 01/27/13 07:58 AM
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i-funbox have tool bar installers. It is free to use but I wouldn't recommended it unless you know how to skip those installers.
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
[Re: ahh]
#303334 - 01/27/13 12:09 PM
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> http://code.google.com/p/imame4all/
Isn't imame4all infringing the MAME license and trademark? (at least the front page of the project claims it's licensed as GNU GPL v2).
You also need permission from the MAME team to actually ship something like this.
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
[Re: R. Belmont]
#303336 - 01/27/13 01:03 PM
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>> Fair warning: MAMEdev has permission to distribute those ROMs from the mamedev.org site; it does not mean anybody else does from anywhere else. Did whoever posted this app get separate permission? (For example, the Google Chrome Store version of MAME which includes Robby Roto has that separate permission from the rightsholders).
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Don't you think people who made that game actually appreciate it gets exposure? How's that not a good thing? In any case, what is it you could possibly be concerned about?
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
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#303337 - 01/27/13 01:07 PM
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Edited to avoid misunderstandings
Edited by ahh (01/29/13 07:16 PM)
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
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>> Isn't imame4all infringing the MAME license and trademark? (at least the front page of the project claims it's licensed as GNU GPL v2).
You also need permission from the MAME team to actually ship something like this.
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How do you imagine it is infringing MAME license or trademark? It's free of charge and source code is available, so what's the problem?
And what in the world are you concerned about? There are hundreds of MAME builds just like that on a PC, how come no one was ever concerned about any of those? It's just another MAME build. If anything you should be pleased, it proves MAME portability and more people get to appreciate MAME, it's a good thing.
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
[Re: tris_d]
#303339 - 01/27/13 01:33 PM
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Edited to avoid misunderstandings
Edited by ahh (01/29/13 07:17 PM)
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
[Re: ahh]
#303341 - 01/27/13 02:09 PM
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Ahh, the thing is you are as much MAME dev as anyone around here, legally. Just give yourself any permission you need.
Perhaps it's unfair but just because other people contributed more or made more important contributions to the project does not make them authorities in regards to license or trademark violations. It's just a bunch of random people, it's a public project. Only Nikola himself has any legal right to make any such objection. It's also only him who can give you any permissions, not any of the avatars around here.
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
[Re: ahh]
#303343 - 01/27/13 03:14 PM
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Edited to avoid misunderstandings
Edited by ahh (01/29/13 07:42 PM)
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
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#303345 - 01/27/13 04:09 PM
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No, smf is correct. All of these "MAME4" builds are violating the MAME license in two ways:
1) Using the registered trademark "MAME" without permission.
2) The MAME license clearly states no commercial use. Even if it's free, putting it in someone's app store is still commercial use. Google asked permission in advance for their Chrome Store version, because their lawyers specifically called this out as a thing.
Just to point out: MAMEdev is super easygoing when you ask in advance like Google did. So I'm mystified by other people's reluctance to do so.
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
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#303346 - 01/27/13 04:12 PM
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> Fronted is licensed as GPLv2. Android load MAME as a dynamic library. Sadly iOS don't
> allow to load dynamic libraries so is static linked.
This right here is confession that you're doing something illegal. MAME cannot be linked against GPL code, either v2 or v3. You must re-license the frontend under the MAME license or the plain BSD/MIT license.
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
[Re: R. Belmont]
#303347 - 01/27/13 04:47 PM
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Edited to avoid misunderstandings
Edited by ahh (01/29/13 07:19 PM)
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
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#303348 - 01/27/13 05:04 PM
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Tafoid gets the emails to the contact address, hopefully he can find your email. Even if that email didn't go through it's not hard to get our attention here or on the MESS board though, as you may now have realized
If you can clean up the license exception and probably disable the ability to run games other than gridlee we should be in good shape.
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
[Re: R. Belmont]
#303350 - 01/27/13 05:08 PM
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> > Fronted is licensed as GPLv2. Android load MAME as a dynamic library. Sadly iOS
> don't
> > allow to load dynamic libraries so is static linked.
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> This right here is confession that you're doing something illegal. MAME cannot be
> linked against GPL code, either v2 or v3. You must re-license the frontend under the
> MAME license or the plain BSD/MIT license.
If you look to the header license currently is a GPL with some exceptions...
It's a dual license that allow to link my GPL with your not GPL code if it is needed... Your license is not restricted in the way GPL is while source code will be available and not money is asked.
Also is a Gray area that needs layers if we give it a lot of thinking...
I like the GPL license becouse I trust on true free sw as a a good tool to make sw that is good for all people, without GPL Linux, gcc not exits.
I not like licenses like MAME, but I understand that it is necessary becouse if not you will have problems, as people will earn money and the project could be questionable.
Anyway, I'm not trying to make a flame about licenses and I respect your thinking... Is really a problem my gpl fronted? I will changed if mame team ask me..
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
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#303351 - 01/27/13 05:12 PM
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> Tafoid gets the emails to the contact address, hopefully he can find your email. Even
> if that email didn't go through it's not hard to get our attention here or on the
> MESS board though, as you may now have realized
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> If you can clean up the license exception and probably disable the ability to run
> games other than gridlee we should be in good shape.
Just to clarify.. I get anything sent to the external code submission address ONLY. Any of the other pipes of contact go elsewhere.
I am curious, though, how long ago (approx when was it) that you requested via form? I'd like to try to research it.
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
[Re: R. Belmont]
#303352 - 01/27/13 05:41 PM
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Edited to avoid misunderstandings
Edited by ahh (01/29/13 07:13 PM)
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
[Re: R. Belmont]
#303353 - 01/27/13 05:47 PM
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1) Using the registered trademark "MAME" without permission.
But MAMA4all _is MAME. How are those guys any different than guys compiling MAME for MacOS for example, or you guys? If you compiled it then everything would be fine, or would you too need to ask for permission? And who would you ask, yourself? But most importantly, why do you even mind?
2) The MAME license clearly states no commercial use. Even if it's free, putting it in someone's app store is still commercial use.
Nonsense. Who told you that?
3.) ...disable the ability to run games other than gridlee
That has nothing to do with license or trademark. You have no right or reason to ask for any such thing. But why would you even want that?
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
[Re: Tafoid]
#303354 - 01/27/13 06:03 PM
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Edited to avoid misunderstandings
Edited by ahh (01/29/13 07:12 PM)
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
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#303355 - 01/27/13 06:33 PM
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> But MAMA4all _is MAME. How are those guys any different than guys compiling MAME for
> MacOS for example, or you guys? If you compiled it then everything would be fine, or
> would you too need to ask for permission? And who would you ask, yourself? But most
> importantly, why do you even mind?
MAME4all isn't MAME, we own the trademark and it's not put out by us. I believe the MacOS build is one of the sdl builds that we provide.
> 3.) ...disable the ability to run games other than gridlee
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> That has nothing to do with license or trademark. You have no right or reason to ask
> for any such thing. But why would you even want that?
Using the trademark does give us the right to ask for things like that, as we have to protect who we associate with.
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
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I was thinking and I will change the fronted license to be a dual-licensed (GPL / MAME license).
I hope it will be ok now.
I really like your work guys.
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
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#303358 - 01/27/13 07:25 PM
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> I not like licenses like MAME,
Once your code is linked with MAME then you have to abide by all the terms in the MAME license anyway. I'm not sure what you think you've gained. It just looks like you're trying something on.
Edited by smf (01/27/13 07:26 PM)
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
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Edited to avoid misunderstandings 
Edited by ahh (01/29/13 07:11 PM)
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
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"guest_person" and "tris_d" are Abracadabra. Ignore him
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
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> "guest_person" and "tris_d" are Abracadabra. Ignore him
Busted. LOL
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
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I have edited my comments in this thread because they are creating confusion in other forums about MAME team official stance regarding gridlee, mame4ios and mame4droid. I hope you do not bother. 
Edited by ahh (01/29/13 07:47 PM)
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
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> I have edited my comments in this thread because they are creating confusion in other
> forums about MAME team official stance regarding gridlee, mame4ios and mame4droid. I
> hope you do not bother.
In case there's any confusion, the MAME team is thrilled to have ports based on versions of MAME we can actually remember the code for out there on these devices. We'll like it even more when the faster 0.149 core is out if these ports are updated to that. There were simply some metadata issues which I believe ahh has resolved.
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
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#303457 - 01/30/13 12:13 AM
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That's good news. I have read on other post about this speed improvements.
I would like to update mobile versions to this newer mame version. I had tried to upgrade time ago to some 0.14x mame. But there were big issues with the gcc arm toolchain and newer pure C++code. Basically 68000 drivers were broken with segmentation faults.
Other problem was the executable size. Android has 50MB native file size limit the last time I checked ... Also there was heap problems, there is limit too.
Too much headaches.
I rolled back to the 139 one, but I have the osd code somewhere..
Maybe with your help I can fix that issues when 0.149 will be released
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Edit: Never mind. I got it working. =)
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I love the touch two buttons to bring up the MAME options.
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Still on the AppStore!
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Apple haven't done anything yet. I wonder why not this time?
What else going to show up there? 
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
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#303852 - 02/05/13 08:05 PM
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HLSL will never happen as it's a Microsoft thing.
It'd be more likely to see a port of GLSL, but I'm not sure if the iOS devices expose enough GPU functionality for that as I've never coded for one.
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
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#303853 - 02/05/13 08:18 PM
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> HLSL will never happen as it's a Microsoft thing.
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> It'd be more likely to see a port of GLSL, but I'm not sure if the iOS devices expose
> enough GPU functionality for that as I've never coded for one.
iPhone 4 and later (and all iPads) support GLES 2.0, which is sufficient for all the CRT-simulation fragment shaders people commonly run with SDL builds.
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Re: Gridlee on AppStore!
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Okay! Good to know. I'd have questions about how it affects battery life, though, now that I think about it.
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Re: Still on the AppStore!
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#303862 - 02/05/13 09:59 PM
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> Apple haven't done anything yet. I wonder why not this time?
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They are too busy patent trolling their competition...
Which makes me lulz,since they do all this patent trolling yet they still get dominated in the mobile phone market.Oh well,karma is a bitch
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Re: Still on the AppStore!
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Some Apple guy called me from California last week. He was telling me about the griddle issues ... But finally they haven't pulled griddle.. Yet??
The funny thing is that on Spain AppStore is a marked as a recommended app by Apple..
Gridlee had more than 250k downloads on the 3 first days. Maybe they have realized that everybody interested on gridlee has download it. I'm afraid to update the app to fix some minor issues ...
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OK this is a ad support? *DELETED*
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#304095 - 02/11/13 10:16 AM
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Removed by a request. Sorry.
Edited by Dullaron (02/13/13 05:31 AM)
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Donation ≠ Purchase [nt]
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#304097 - 02/11/13 10:32 AM
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Got removed while back.
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#305480 - 03/09/13 01:29 PM
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You can no longer get it there now.
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