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Asian backdoor insertion.
#288103 - 05/28/12 11:33 PM
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Re: Asian backdoor insertion.
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#288104 - 05/28/12 11:45 PM
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So why on earth does the USA farm the manufacture of these chips out to China?!
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#288107 - 05/29/12 12:31 AM
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> So why on earth does the USA farm the manufacture of these chips out to China?!
Money, and the saving of.
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#288108 - 05/29/12 12:40 AM
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> > So why on earth does the USA farm the manufacture of these chips out to China?!
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> Money, and the saving of.
And we wonder why unemployment (in the USA) is so high.
Yesterday, my mom and I were talking about telecommuting, how a couple decades ago it was thought that so many of us would telecommute instead of (in meatspace) commuting to work... and then it dawned on me: if you're gonna hire people to telecommute, why hire Americans? Why not Indians? (as in curry, not as in maize)
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#288114 - 05/29/12 02:46 AM
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That would be bad CSR, on both ends of the telephone.
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#288115 - 05/29/12 02:54 AM
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> then it dawned on me: if you're gonna hire people to telecommute, why
> hire Americans? Why not Indians? (as in curry, not as in maize)
Because it is short sighted. You end up managing even MORE than if they were here.
Sure they have a QA dept but now you have to run it thru YOUR QA. Sure they have a set of docs of what to do. But you have to go thru everything to make sure it was done. So on and so on. About the only thing you save on is the dev cost. The rest of it you have to go back and double check (which is what you have to do anyway with local dev work).
It works short term (on very small projects). Long term it becomes *their* projects and not yours.
Then you have a 10-12 hour time difference (and thats if you are on the east coast). This one here is a pain. By basically noon (if your lucky) they are done. As with local guys I can at least call them up and get them in front of me to explain their actions...
If you 'offshore' you get basically 3 classes of devs. Newbies who have 0 clue, the grizzled veteran, and the 'ok' guy. Deving things is more than just cost. When your organization starts to realize it things change. If all they care about is cost then you get off-shoring. You can get 3 devs for the price of one... But remember *you* are not hiring them, the company you hired is.
I am slowly going insane doing this btw...
We as a country have decided we do not want to pollute our environment and people should have a least a living wage. That comes at a cost (both human and dollar). Dont get me wrong I am not saying this is bad or good. It just is. However, we have to still compete with people where neither one of those is a concern...
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#288116 - 05/29/12 02:57 AM
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if you're gonna hire people to telecommute, why hire Americans? Why not Indians? (as in curry, not as in maize)
Money trumps "patriotism". It's even worse when a company is big on proclaiming its American pride yet outsources its labor, much less importing manufactured goods.
Speaking of patriotism, y'ever see where a lot of those cheap United States flags sold at WallyWorld are manufactured at? At first I laughed at the "Made In China" declaration...until it sunk in during this holiday weekend.
And in this tight economy people are forced financially to spend as little as possible for what appears to be quality goods. Or not buy durable goods and focus more on food, utilities and their own family needs.
It's just one big downward spiral. Which leads me to wonder: When will China cash in its own chips and really put a hurting on the U.S.? A company in New Kensington called "Leeds" is nothing more that one gaping gateway via cheap Chinese imports (its service is providing personalized corporate logo gear to its corporate clients).
It's not much of a vantage point but it does offer that much needed view into how bad things truly are. Labor is cheap in Commie China. And these "Americans" are willing to do business with those Commies? The irony? New Kensington is a dying town which is a mere shadow of its former self. And yet it prides itself on its own patriotism.
When will these be actual investment starting right here and right now? Of course it will cost much more money but, in the long term, the U.S. can regain its position as a manufacturing powerhouse. Like a junkie that knows that their next fix may be the last one, the corporations here really have to knock off their fixing on Red China or any other source of cheap labor overseas that is also lax on environmental and human standards. That cold turkey fix will also take a bit of courage just to endure that transition to true independence.
It can start right now: I will avoid buying crap at "Dollar Tree", yet another importer of crap'o'da'Chinee. And now I'm sounding like a true hick inhabitant (my dang GE scroll mouse and water bottle were made by Chinee labor...arrrrrrrrgh). ;-)
Hope your Memorial Day Weekend was safe and enjoyable!
--Bekki
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I found the title of this thread misleading.
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#288183 - 05/29/12 04:31 PM
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