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#284967 - 05/05/12 01:21 AM


Was wondering how the 2nd Gen Intel® Core™ i7-2600 processor CPU will run the more demanding games in mame. Any benchmarks on this CPU? I want to update my mame machine.

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Re: PC build new [Re: joey35car]
#284972 - 05/05/12 01:42 AM


Even at it's default clock speed I recon it will be plenty good enough. If you can crank it to 4 GHz then that is a really good sweet spot for a lot of other CPU tasks you might partake in.

Hell even the LGA 775 Wolfdales at 3 or 4 GHz seem to play everything that is playable plenty good enough.



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Re: PC build new [Re: joey35car]
#284977 - 05/05/12 01:54 AM


See the benches at my site. RB's 2600K is there.

Edit: I'll also likely be upgrading my 3.6Ghz Wolfdale to an i7-3770K this summer and going to 4.8+Ghz.



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Re: PC build new [Re: John IV]
#284987 - 05/05/12 03:06 AM


> See the benches at my site. RB's 2600K is there.
>
> Edit: I'll also likely be upgrading my 3.6Ghz Wolfdale to an i7-3770K this summer and
> going to 4.8+Ghz.

I heard those run a littler hotter then the 2600k and not much of a difference in speed.



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Re: PC build new [Re: joey35car]
#284999 - 05/05/12 05:28 AM


Yes, though they're a close price point and higher binned parts.



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Re: PC build new [Re: John IV]
#285001 - 05/05/12 05:48 AM


> Yes, though they're a close price point and higher binned parts.

Yeah. Given the first-gen IVB parts at least don't OC as gracefully as the 2500K/2600K that's probably the way to go.



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Re: PC build new [Re: joey35car]
#285246 - 05/07/12 03:06 AM


I can tell you that my i5-2500k *stock* can run pretty much everything with no slowdown.

I don't feel the need to overclock it yet...



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Re: PC build new [Re: kevenz]
#285283 - 05/07/12 06:19 AM


> I can tell you that my i5-2500k *stock* can run pretty much everything with no
> slowdown.
>
> I don't feel the need to overclock it yet...

Thanks for the info. One more question you know how these chips have turbo frequency does it work for mame?



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Re: PC build new [Re: joey35car]
#285344 - 05/07/12 04:43 PM


> > I can tell you that my i5-2500k *stock* can run pretty much everything with no
> > slowdown.
> >
> > I don't feel the need to overclock it yet...
>
> Thanks for the info. One more question you know how these chips have turbo frequency
> does it work for mame?

Of course it does



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Re: PC build new [Re: joey35car]
#285476 - 05/08/12 02:29 AM


I just a Core I7 2600 3.4GHz with 8GB RAM and all MAME games run at full speed, except for a few ones like "Gradius 4".

this is a great CPU.



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Re: PC build new [Re: CiroConsentino]
#285479 - 05/08/12 02:35 AM


> I just a Core I7 2600 3.4GHz with 8GB RAM and all MAME games run at full speed,
> except for a few ones like "Gradius 4".
>
> this is a great CPU.

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Re: PC build new [Re: CiroConsentino]
#285500 - 05/08/12 04:44 AM


> I just a Core I7 2600 3.4GHz with 8GB RAM and all MAME games run at full speed,
> except for a few ones like "Gradius 4".
>
> this is a great CPU.

Thanks that is what I'm leaning towards.



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Re: PC build new [Re: joey35car]
#285501 - 05/08/12 04:52 AM


Yummy new hardware is a lot of fun
i7 3770K ivy bridge @ 5GHz mmmmmmmm yeah!

ASUS MAXIMUS V GENE

http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z472/Hazzan3/Asus%20Maximus%20V%20Gene/IMG_5171.jpg

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3619/screenshot065oz.jpg

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/2082/screenshot067fl.jpg



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Re: PC build new [Re: B2K24]
#285502 - 05/08/12 05:00 AM


> Yummy new hardware is a lot of fun
> i7 3770K ivy bridge @ 5GHz mmmmmmmm yeah!
>
> ASUS MAXIMUS V GENE
>
> http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z472/Hazzan3/Asus%20Maximus%20V%20Gene/IMG_5171.jpg
>
> http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3619/screenshot065oz.jpg
>
> http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/2082/screenshot067fl.jpg

So can you run like radikal bike full speed and other demanding games with that clock speed?
gauntlet dark legacy, gauntlet legends, gauntlet 2

Edited by joey35car (05/08/12 05:04 AM)



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Re: PC build new [Re: joey35car]
#285508 - 05/08/12 06:12 AM


> So can you run like radikal bike full speed and other demanding games with that clock
> speed?
> gauntlet dark legacy, gauntlet legends, gauntlet 2

Not sure. I haven't built it yet

I was drooling over threads of the latest new hardware on the XS forums.



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Re: PC build new [Re: B2K24]
#285514 - 05/08/12 06:47 AM


> > So can you run like radikal bike full speed and other demanding games with that
> clock
> > speed?
> > gauntlet dark legacy, gauntlet legends, gauntlet 2
>
> Not sure. I haven't built it yet
>
> I was drooling over threads of the latest new hardware on the XS forums.

You going to use a water cooler or just air? And hurry up.



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Re: PC build new [Re: joey35car]
#285548 - 05/08/12 04:37 PM


I can play Gauntlet Dark Legacy at 60fps, I haven't noticed any slowdown..... maybe in the later levels, I haven't played it that much yet, too many games and so little time



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Re: PC build new [Re: CiroConsentino]
#285593 - 05/08/12 10:20 PM


My cabinet is a i3 [email protected],and it runs just about everything I have tried (Gradius 4 runs,but slows down when the dragons come spiraling out)

and my desktop is a i5 [email protected],and TBH I havent tried running MAME on it yet(have only had it for a little over 2 months),me thinks I will have to hook up the usb HDD to it and try running some of the more demanding MAME games.I think I shall do that now!

Personally if $$$ is a issue,I recommend the i5 over the i7,only if $$ is a issue,if not then its i7 all the way

2700k=$309.00 http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=core+i+2700k

2500k=$215.00 http://www.amazon.com/Intel-BX80623I5250...8647&sr=1-2

EDIT:actually for a few more dollars you can get a i5 3750k
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Core-3570K-P...2407&sr=8-1

Edited by mesk (05/09/12 06:55 PM)



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Re: PC build [including benchmarks] new [Re: mesk]
#285604 - 05/08/12 10:39 PM


Well, funny you should bring this up. I just did a benchmark on my two systems this very morning to get some idea what's actually going on with my setup. I specifically chose some benchmarks from RB's semi-recent run with an i7 to compare against, to have a good baseline to look at.

Here're the results of that, in case it'll help you figure out where you're standing:

Desktop spec: Intel i5-2500k @ 3.30GHz 5.80 GHz
Laptop spec: Intel i5-2430m @ 2.40GHz 2.40 GHz
MAME revision: 0.145u7
Benchmark commandline: mame64.exe -bench 90 gamename

gradius4 Gradius 4: Fukkatsu
Desktop: 162.82%
Laptop 90.28%

slrasslt Solar Assault (ver UAA)
Desktop: 208.21%
Laptop: 150.04%

sf2ceua Street Fighter II': Champion Edition (USA 920313)
Desktop: 1625.01%
Laptop: 1365.20%

gauntleg Gauntlet Legends (version 1.6)
Desktop: 262.79%
Laptop: 137.89%

blitz NFL Blitz (boot ROM 1.2)
Desktop: 203.66%
Laptop: 107.08%

pacman Pac-Man (Midway)
Desktop: 13409.42%
Laptop: 11097.21%

kinst Killer Instinct (v1.5d)
Desktop: 576.10%
Laptop: 282.47%

tekken3 Tekken 3 (Japan, TET1/VER.E1)
Desktop: 165.02%
Laptop: 138.06%

hsf2 Hyper Street Fighter 2: The Anniversary Edition (USA 040202)
Desktop: 1585.99%
Laptop: 1310.18%



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Re: PC build [including benchmarks] new [Re: Firehawke]
#285712 - 05/09/12 04:35 PM


> Well, funny you should bring this up. I just did a benchmark on my two systems this
> very morning to get some idea what's actually going on with my setup. I specifically
> chose some benchmarks from RB's semi-recent run with an i7 to compare against, to
> have a good baseline to look at.
>
> Here're the results of that, in case it'll help you figure out where you're standing:

This mostly just confirms my instinct to ask people what games they're going to be playing when they ask what PC to buy for MAME. The laptop does beautifully on the 2D games, so if you're a big CPS-x/NeoGeo nut, that's all you need.



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Re: PC build new [Re: B2K24]
#285713 - 05/09/12 04:36 PM


> Yummy new hardware is a lot of fun
> i7 3770K ivy bridge @ 5GHz mmmmmmmm yeah!

How'd you pull that off? Everything I've read says that IVB is actually less overclockable than the 2500K/2600K. (It's cooler at stock, but the temps shoot up very quickly once you start OCing).



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Re: PC build [including benchmarks] new [Re: R. Belmont]
#285717 - 05/09/12 05:49 PM


> > Well, funny you should bring this up. I just did a benchmark on my two systems this
> > very morning to get some idea what's actually going on with my setup. I
> specifically
> > chose some benchmarks from RB's semi-recent run with an i7 to compare against, to
> > have a good baseline to look at.
> >
> > Here're the results of that, in case it'll help you figure out where you're
> standing:
>
> This mostly just confirms my instinct to ask people what games they're going to be
> playing when they ask what PC to buy for MAME. The laptop does beautifully on the 2D
> games, so if you're a big CPS-x/NeoGeo nut, that's all you need.

I like pretty much all the games plus also this PC will be part of my CP/stand so I will have all types of people who might like to play a variety of different games that's all.



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Re: PC build new [Re: R. Belmont]
#285719 - 05/09/12 05:52 PM


Here's a few benchmarks for this chip.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ivy-bridge-benchmark-core-i7-3770k,3181-9.html

Edited by joey35car (05/09/12 05:53 PM)



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Re: PC build new [Re: R. Belmont]
#285720 - 05/09/12 06:12 PM


> How'd you pull that off? Everything I've read says that IVB is actually less
> overclockable than the 2500K/2600K. (It's cooler at stock, but the temps shoot up
> very quickly once you start OCing).

I'm still running my i7 930 @ 4GHz from a couple years back.
I was just drooling over the new hardware and what the folks over at XS forums are doing

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/show...MUS-V-GENE-quot

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/show...and-o-c-results



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Re: PC build [including benchmarks] new [Re: R. Belmont]
#285726 - 05/09/12 08:01 PM


I do agree, but it occurs to me that I should run a second set of benchmarks on that rig. This laptop uses the semi-new nVidia "Optimus" dual-GPU config.

I don't expect _massive_ differences, but intuition suggests there may be faster blit which may show some improvement at the upper end.

Besides, nobody's ever benchmarked this that I'm aware of!

I'll go re-run the entire set of benchmarks twice, once with the Intel HD3000 (which should be about the same numbers you've already seen) and once with the nVidia GPU.

Edit: ..except that the normal -benchmark takes video out of the equation, making it a meaningless comparison to the existing numbers and not really worth pursuing.

I might go ahead and run the test, though I obviously can't use -bench 90 for it.


Edited by Firehawke (05/09/12 08:32 PM)



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Re: PC build [Laptop Optimus Benchmarks, or why Optimus doesn't matter] new [Re: Firehawke]
#285734 - 05/09/12 09:05 PM


Methodology:

Copied mame64.exe used from previous benchmark to "intel.exe" and "nvidia.exe" then set the Optimus profile for each exe accordingly in the nVidia control panel.

The benchmark consists of a batch file that does the following for each game on the list:

nvidia.exe -noautoframeskip -frameskip 0 -seconds_to_run 90 -nothrottle -nosleep -video d3d -skip_gameinfo -effect none -nowaitvsync gamename
intel.exe -noautoframeskip -frameskip 0 -seconds_to_run 90 -nothrottle -nosleep -video d3d -skip_gameinfo -effect none -nowaitvsync gamename
pause


Results are below:

gradius4 Gradius 4: Fukkatsu
nVidia: 85.19%
Intel: 85.19%

slrasslt Solar Assault (ver UAA)
nVidia: 143.92%
Intel: 144.86%

sf2ceua Street Fighter II': Champion Edition (USA 920313)
nVidia: 1165.62%
Intel: 956.05%

pacman Pac-Man (Midway)
nVidia: 9672.65%
Intel: 8343.55%

kinst Killer Instinct (v1.5d)
nVidia: 270.46%
Intel: 485.21%

hsf2 Hyper Street Fighter 2: The Anniversary Edition (USA 040202)
nVidia: 1119.29%
Intel: 1148.92%

salmndr2 Salamander 2 (ver JAA)
nVidia: 188.83%
Intel: 191.01%

mk Mortal Kombat (rev 5.0 T-Unit 03/19/93)
nVidia: 757.54%
Intel: 814.83%

mkla3 Mortal Kombat (rev 3.0 08/31/92)
nVidia: 852.34%
Intel: 858.26%

Result summary:

Optimus doesn't seem to affect performance at all. Every result seemed to be within the margin of error of running the benchmark five times under the same config; results were never consistent across multiple runs outside of being within a certain spread. Older games that would naturally run faster have wider spread, of course.

I only remembered a key point after starting the benchmarks: Optimus works by dumping the nVidia framebuffer to the Intel one for output. Therefore there's actually a very slight bottleneck that wouldn't be there if the nVidia was outputting to its own port.

For normal 3D apps, Optimus would give a performance boost by offsetting the bottleneck with just how much faster the nVidia chip actually is. MAME doesn't do anything more than two textured triangles under the most basic of circumstances and wouldn't be a great use of Optimus.

All of this is pretty obvious in hindsight, but it never hurts to have it all down on paper.

Aside:
I ran MK and MKLA3 also for a comparison of how much harder T-Unit was going to be on the rig compared to the older hardware. Wasn't expecting it to be _unplayable_ on T-Unit, just was curious at the difference in numbers



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Re: PC build [Laptop Optimus Benchmarks, or why Optimus doesn't matter] new [Re: Firehawke]
#285749 - 05/09/12 10:55 PM


> For normal 3D apps, Optimus would give a performance boost by offsetting the
> bottleneck with just how much faster the nVidia chip actually is. MAME doesn't do
> anything more than two textured triangles under the most basic of circumstances and
> wouldn't be a great use of Optimus.

Well, if you had HLSL running the nVidia GPU would likely win pretty handily, but for normal usage certainly not



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Re: PC build [Laptop Optimus HLSL Benchmarks: why Optimus may not matter even for HLSL] new [Re: R. Belmont]
#285751 - 05/09/12 11:02 PM


Definitely. XBMC had a particularly bad reaction to the Intel chipset. It would hardlock to the point that not only could you not End Task it, but it would prevent OS shutdown.

Obviously, forcing it to nVidia fixed it.

I revisited a benchmark out of curiosity. The natural resolution of this laptop's display is 1366x768. I used a SLIGHTLY modified version of JohnIV's settings as provided at http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/sho...part=1&vc=1

Something odd happened when I benchmarked the HLSL-- on the first try, HLSL ran at a steady 50% on the Intel, but on a second try it was running significantly faster. A third try showed no change from the second one.

sf2ceua Street Fighter II': Champion Edition (USA 920313)

Without HLSL:

nVidia: 1165.62%
Intel: 956.05%

With HLSL:

nVidia: 1270.11%
Intel: 50.01% (first try)
Intel: 1125.20% (second try)

I've doublechecked the settings in the nVidia control panel and it didn't change the hard-set setting I put into place for "intel.exe" at all.

Therefore, either there's something a bit odd with the benchmarks or even the Intel is capable of handling HLSL at the resolution of the laptop display!

It really looks like anything up to the top "killer" hardware sets are essentially "solved"-- any semi-modern rig should be able to handle it, and in most cases even HLSL with it.

Final final note:

I just used the Optimus testing tool provided at http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/topic/2...950#entry130950 to determine if my settings were being overridden. They aren't. The Intel HD3000 onboard *IS* capable enough for 1366x768. I'm hesitant to try it at 1920x1080, but you never know, I might just end up hooking it up to my TV one of these days.

So there you have it. Intel HD3000 is good enough for MAME under at least SOME circumstances.

Edited by Firehawke (05/10/12 12:46 AM)



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Re: PC build new [Re: joey35car]
#285800 - 05/10/12 02:39 AM


Yeah that was a good article for 2700k vs 3770k, thanks.

Some interesting food for thought. The 2700K is only 3% slower across their suites, but that last page zinger about investing in 'last gen. hardware' coming from a Wolfdale gave me some pause.

We'll see how the pricing works out in the summer.

3.6Ghz annoyingly is right on the edge for some of my bench games like Blitz and Radikal in-game. I don't like seeing their less than 100% dips.



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Re: PC build [Laptop Optimus HLSL Benchmarks: why Optimus may not matter even for HLSL] new [Re: Firehawke]
#285880 - 05/10/12 10:26 PM


> So there you have it. Intel HD3000 is good enough for MAME under at least SOME
> circumstances.

Yeah, the SNB and (especially) IVB incarnations of Intel on-board are surprisingly decent, especially at relatively low resolutions like that. I wouldn't use them to play Skyrim at 1080P, but like you said MAME is largely a solved problem on most any non-netbook shipping nowadays.


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