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Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
#284000 - 04/27/12 11:49 AM
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Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"? If so, what is it? And is it any good?
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284032 - 04/27/12 05:52 PM
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284049 - 04/27/12 07:24 PM
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nope, I don't understand why it's not implemented in mame yet...
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284053 - 04/27/12 07:45 PM
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It is, it's just WIP
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284079 - 04/28/12 02:37 AM
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Damn. That emulator is sub par.
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284109 - 04/28/12 06:22 AM
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> Damn. That emulator is sub par.
What game are you trying to play?
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
[Re: mesk]
#284136 - 04/28/12 09:08 AM
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Every game I played, it wasn't smooth like all the other emulators I've ever used. It's choppy with audio crackling. Also, the emulator barely has any options. Every emulator I've used has all kinds of options, settings, features, eye candy, etc., but this emulator has ugatz.
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
[Re: OldSchoolGamer]
#284151 - 04/28/12 02:51 PM
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it work perfectly fine on my pc.... most games runs at 100% 60fps with no audio problem.
be sure to get the configurator.exe or something like that to help with custom options.
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284158 - 04/28/12 05:03 PM
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You running it on that p4? thats why.I had the same issues when I tried running it on a p4.Audio cracking and popping,games stuttering.Just give up on M2 emulation until you get a better box.You will just get aggravated otherwise
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284166 - 04/28/12 06:53 PM
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Yes it is rather light in the features dept (I could care less,I just dont see the point in HQx2 filters for 90's arcade games)but since it is the only emulator capable of running these games @ a playable speed,it is good enough until its improved upon in MAME.
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284176 - 04/28/12 09:28 PM
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
[Re: OldSchoolGamer]
#284177 - 04/28/12 09:46 PM
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Elsemi's model 2 is a great emulator, but it's a pity that it isn't open source (that I know at least).
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
[Re: Ramirez]
#284183 - 04/29/12 12:39 AM
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So there is another emulator that emulates Sega Model 2. Maybe they weren't aware of it. But it prob runs too choppy on my computer as well.
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284184 - 04/29/12 12:42 AM
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Just curious mesk... how did you remember I had a P4?
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284186 - 04/29/12 01:13 AM
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> Just curious mesk... how did you remember I had a P4?
You have stated it many many times in previous posts.
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
[Re: OldSchoolGamer]
#284203 - 04/29/12 02:14 AM
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ElSemi's model 2 emulator is the Sega Model 2 emulator
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
[Re: B2K24]
#284219 - 04/29/12 03:30 AM
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Just suprised he remembered something so minoot. < That was the first time I ever spelled that word... probably incorrectly
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284221 - 04/29/12 03:47 AM
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be sure to get the configurator.exe or something like that to help with custom options
Where can I find this file?
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284222 - 04/29/12 03:52 AM
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> be sure to get the configurator.exe or something like that to help with custom
> options
> Where can I find this file?
I'm gonna post this, and you're gonna get upset at me, but sorry, it really is this easy sometimes.
Very first link:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=model+2+emulator+configurator
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
[Re: Mr. Do]
#284223 - 04/29/12 04:07 AM
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The first link you are referring to (www.aep-emu.de) has a link for it where you can find it on the Sega Model 2/Nebula official forum which is speksnk.org. But the problem is that that forum is dead or no longer working.
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> The first link you are referring to (www.aep-emu.de) has a link for it where you can
> find it on the Sega Model 2/Nebula official forum which is speksnk.org. But the
> problem is that that forum is dead or no longer working.
Did you click the first link on the page and give up, or did you scroll the window down a bit and keep reading?
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
[Re: Mr. Do]
#284263 - 04/29/12 06:48 AM
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Got it. I read it all and I saw that link. But I didn't know it was considered a front end because the link says "Frontend Downloads" and I was looking for a configuration file. Anyway, thanks.
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
[Re: mesk]
#284338 - 04/29/12 10:24 PM
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Not to be trolling here but I can't believe people still use single core pentium 4 in 2012.... that's a jurassic computer !!
You can barely watch youtube videos and you expect playing arcade games...
get a core 2 duo or something.... they're so cheap.
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
[Re: kevenz]
#284354 - 04/30/12 12:31 AM
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Are you high? Yea a P4 is old but it can still watch youtube videos with ease. There's no waiting either, it starts as soon as you click on the link to the video. And it plays almost all MAME games fine at 100% except for that small group of games that is CPU instensive.
I have a Intel Pentium 4, 3.0 Ghz with Hyper Threading Technology, 800 MHz Front Side Bus....
Which is a big difference between a P4, 2.4 Ghz with no HT technology, and 533 MHz FSB
That aside, I would like to buy a new computer sometime in the near future.
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284356 - 04/30/12 12:39 AM
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> I have a Intel Pentium 4, 3.0 Ghz with Hyper Threading Technology, 800 MHz Front Side
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> Which is a big difference between a P4, 2.4 Ghz with no HT technology, and 533 MHz
> FSB
which I got done building 4 builds ago 
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
[Re: B2K24]
#284357 - 04/30/12 12:42 AM
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nice, which one did you build that I mentioned, the low end P4 or the higher end P4 (mine)?
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284360 - 04/30/12 01:50 AM
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I just bought a Core I7 January 23, 2012.
I was using a P4 3.0GHz HT with 2GB RAM and a Radeon HD 4650 1GB.
Most MAME were NOT playing at full speed, much less PC games.
Internet and 1080p videos were fine.
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
[Re: OldSchoolGamer]
#284361 - 04/30/12 02:21 AM
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> Are you high? Yea a P4 is old but it can still watch youtube videos with ease.
> There's no waiting either, it starts as soon as you click on the link to the video.
> And it plays almost all MAME games fine at 100% except for that small group of games
> that is CPU instensive.
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> I have a Intel Pentium 4, 3.0 Ghz with Hyper Threading Technology, 800 MHz Front Side
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> Which is a big difference between a P4, 2.4 Ghz with no HT technology, and 533 MHz
> FSB
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> That aside, I would like to buy a new computer sometime in the near future.
Your cpu is too weak to play the games in full speed. From what I remember model 2 emulator also needs a gpu with pixel shader 3.0 support. There was though a binary that worked with gpus with 2.0 support.
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
[Re: CiroConsentino]
#284368 - 04/30/12 03:10 AM
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Quote:
I was using a P4 3.0GHz HT with 2GB RAM and a Radeon HD 4650 1GB. Most MAME were NOT playing at full speed, much less PC games
I am able to play about 80% to 90% of working MAME games at full speed. You said that MOST MAME games were not playable at full speed, which means that you think that more than 50% (half) of the MAME games are not playable at full speed. And that's totally inaccurate. Just think how many old old school arcade games from the 1980's there are. And almost all of them run at full speed. And the vast majority of early to mid 1990's games run at full speed. So that's wayyy more than 50% of working MAME games.
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284370 - 04/30/12 03:12 AM
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Your cpu is too weak to play the games in full speed. From what I remember model 2 emulator also needs a gpu with pixel shader 3.0 support. There was though a binary that worked with gpus with 2.0 support.
Yea, my computer is too weak to play Model 2 games at full speed. As for the pixel shader 3.0, it was introduced in version 0.9. So that's why I use version 0.8.
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284388 - 04/30/12 05:04 AM
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> nice, which one did you build that I mentioned, the low end P4 or the higher end P4
> (mine)?
I had the high end P4, but what was really funny was the board I used could not fully utilize 100% of the CPU.
At that time I knew way less about hardware than I know now. I had used an Asus P4V533-MX for the build. Funny thing is I still have it and it boots XP just fine 
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284453 - 04/30/12 07:00 PM
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> > nice, which one did you build that I mentioned, the low end P4 or the higher end P4
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> I had the high end P4, but what was really funny was the board I used could not fully
> utilize 100% of the CPU.
> At that time I knew way less about hardware than I know now. I had used an Asus
> P4V533-MX for the build. Funny thing is I still have it and it boots XP just fine
I have seen a big difference just in memory speed and video card on my two P4 3GHz computers, one I build and the other I get from the trash a couple blocks away. Both have the same clock speed but one runs most MAME stuff just fine the other the same games will lag quite a bit. One plays HD videos fine and the other makes them very laggy, and the video breaks up all the time, I know the HD videos are because the one Video card is a lot better than the one I pick out of the trash.
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284465 - 04/30/12 09:59 PM
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> I was using a P4 3.0GHz HT with 2GB RAM and a Radeon HD 4650 1GB. Most MAME were NOT
> playing at full speed, much less PC games
> I am able to play about 80% to 90% of working MAME games at full speed. You said that
> MOST MAME games were not playable at full speed, which means that you think that more
> than 50% (half) of the MAME games are not playable at full speed. And that's totally
> inaccurate. Just think how many old old school arcade games from the 1980's there
> are. And almost all of them run at full speed. And the vast majority of early to mid
> 1990's games run at full speed. So that's wayyy more than 50% of working MAME games.
Yeah a 3+ GHz P4 with a reasonably modern video card is definitely fine for most games in MAME.
I have said this before, but I recently replaced a 3.4 GHz P4 with an 1.6 GHz Pentium Dual Core (Core microarchitecture, not Pentium D) in my wife's PC. I didn't reinstall, just replaced the CPU.
From comparing FPS in MAME, the Pentium Dual Core is a little bit faster than the Pentium 4 was, which is funny when you look at the clock speed.
But the best part is that simply replacing the CPU totally cured some hanging/crashing issues in 64-bit Windows 7. Not sure if it was the motherboard (Gigabyte board w. Intel P43 and ICH10) or 64-bit Windows 7 that didn't like the P4 but there you go.
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
[Re: OldSchoolGamer]
#284615 - 05/02/12 01:19 AM
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I've got P4 3.2GHz Extreme Edition and the Model 2 emulator works fullspeed except for a few games like Virtua Cop and Sega Touring Car where it stutters. Just make sure you disable anti aliasing/anisotropic filtering and run it full screen (I use 1024x768 or higher res). Games like Daytona USA and Sega Rally are fine for me.
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[Re: VirtuaIceMan]
#284617 - 05/02/12 01:23 AM
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Although I should add I have an AGP Gainward 7800GS+ 512MB graphics card which helps (one of the last and fastest AGP cards with pixel shader 3 support), so I run the latest build
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284632 - 05/02/12 04:12 AM
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My video card is supposed to support Pixel Shader 3.0. But for some reason, it appears not to work with Sega Model 2 Emulator 0.9 - 1.0. That's why I'm stuck with using version 0.8a.
I have a "128 MB. ATI Radeon X300 Series". It's supposed to have the pixel shader 3.0 support. Does anyone know why the pixel shader 3.0 feature on my video card is not working?
By the way, thanks for the tip. I disabled the Bilinear filter on the Sega Model 2 Emulator and it runs alot faster now. I don't know why that option is enabled by default.
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#284641 - 05/02/12 05:05 AM
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> I have a "128 MB. ATI Radeon X300 Series". It's supposed to have the pixel shader 3.0
> support.
Well it doesn't. Where did you read that? The X300 is a Pixel Shader 2.0 card.
Treat yourself to a 512MB Geforce 9500 GT, it'll be a huge performance upgrade and they don't cost much, you can find one online for about 50 bucks.
(I know some will sneer at that recommendation but it's for the PC you have now - if you go bigger than that you'd probably have to get a new power supply and by then you might as well buy new everything).
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#284653 - 05/02/12 07:41 AM
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Thanks for the tip. But I'm not sure that I would buy a new graphics card for my current PC because I will probably be buying a completely new PC within a year.
And thanks for the info regarding my graphics card only supporting pixel shader 2.0. I researched it months ago and I read that it supported pixel shader 3.0. But the source where I read it from was obviously wrong.
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#284679 - 05/02/12 03:09 PM
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> > > nice, which one did you build that I mentioned, the low end P4 or the higher end
> P4
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> > I had the high end P4, but what was really funny was the board I used could not
> fully
> > utilize 100% of the CPU.
> > At that time I knew way less about hardware than I know now. I had used an Asus
> > P4V533-MX for the build. Funny thing is I still have it and it boots XP just fine
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> I have seen a big difference just in memory speed and video card on my two P4 3GHz
> computers, one I build and the other I get from the trash a couple blocks away. Both
> have the same clock speed but one runs most MAME stuff just fine the other the same
> games will lag quite a bit. One plays HD videos fine and the other makes them very
> laggy, and the video breaks up all the time, I know the HD videos are because the one
> Video card is a lot better than the one I pick out of the trash.
Same here. I have a trash-find 3.0GHz P4 which runs games slower than a 2.8GHz P4 - both have XP SP2 - ironically, the 'faster' 2.8 is only using the onboard Intel graphics chipset! Of course, both systems cream my old 2.8GHz Celeron D when it comes to running PSX-era games in MAME (Celerons don't have hyperthreading).
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
[Re: Heihachi_73]
#284724 - 05/03/12 01:22 AM
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Front Side Bus is important too. That's why I upgraded from 533 MHz to 800 MHz when I was buying my computer. Same with the processor cache.
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#284725 - 05/03/12 01:32 AM
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Without downloading a utitlity, how do I find out what my processor's cache is? I forgot what it is.
Example: 1 MB L2 Cache, 2 MB L3 Cache, etc.
(I tried Googling this question but everyone suggested downloading various utilities that will tell you. I don't want to do that.)
[I'm using Windows XP 32-Bit]
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#284729 - 05/03/12 02:41 AM
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#284736 - 05/03/12 03:23 AM
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> CPU-Z
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> http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html
Just came here to say that. Should be in everyone's toolbox.
If you don't want to download a utility to find out your cache, the only other way would be to decap your chip, put it under a microscope, and count.
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[Re: Mr. Do]
#284765 - 05/03/12 09:11 AM
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> If you don't want to download a utility to find out your cache, the only other way
> would be to decap your chip, put it under a microscope, and count.
Or you could take off the heatsink and check the model on the CPU. IIRC P4s even have it stamped right on there.
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284810 - 05/03/12 09:24 PM
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> Or you could take off the heatsink and check the model on the CPU. IIRC P4s even have
> it stamped right on there.
That wouldn't work because that info. would be unreadable at this point considering how old his rig actually is.
Just download a damn utility and be done with it.
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284844 - 05/04/12 04:05 AM
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I already downloaded it.
I find it suprising that computers don't have that type of information available for the user to view. I would have thought that there should be a file or document that details ALL the computer's detailed specifications. (Yes, I know about the right click on My Computer > Properties and you can view the System's Properties, Device Manager, etc. But it doesn't include information about ALL the computer's specifications.)
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284901 - 05/04/12 05:06 PM
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284905 - 05/04/12 05:39 PM
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> > CPU-Z
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> > http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html
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> This. Every Windows user should have a copy of CPU-Z.
Seriously though, why would I care? I have one Windows box at work, I know what its CPU is (an early Core 2 Quad with virtualisation extensions that aren't adequate to support nested paging in VirtualBox). The CPU doesn't change unless I get a new box. Give me a good reason to get a utility like this.
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284909 - 05/04/12 05:52 PM
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> > Or you could take off the heatsink and check the model on the CPU. IIRC P4s even
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> > it stamped right on there.
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> That wouldn't work because that info. would be unreadable at this point considering
> how old his rig actually is.
Nonsense. I have a P4 right in front of me which is perfectly readable, you just have to remove the compound. Some might be but I've not seen one.
I do agree though, surely CPU-Z is going to be easier.
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284921 - 05/04/12 07:33 PM
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> Nonsense. I have a P4 right in front of me which is perfectly readable, you just have
> to remove the compound. Some might be but I've not seen one.
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> I do agree though, surely CPU-Z is going to be easier.
Be that as it may, I don't really want to be instructing novices how to re-mount their HSF over a message board
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284927 - 05/04/12 07:50 PM
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It would be really nice if El Semi changed the emu to OS so that others can make improvements to it.
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284953 - 05/04/12 11:51 PM
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I'm glad I asked this question. CPU-Z is a nice utility to have. I wonder if anyone has ever suggested to Microsoft to have such a file or document that has ALL that info included in Windows operating systems.
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Re: Are there any Sega Model 2 emulators besides the "Sega Model 2 Emulator"?
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#284969 - 05/05/12 01:32 AM
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> Nonsense. I have a P4 right in front of me which is perfectly readable, you just have
> to remove the compound. Some might be but I've not seen one.
It depends on the compound used. If you're talking about some pre-built rig with the cheapest most generic compound possible then you're probably correct. If the person used Liquid Ultra, IC7/24, or Shin Etsu then absolutely no chance in reading the information off the IHS
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