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Re: Christmas is coming soon,what do you expect Mame in 2012?
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> > Actually, I'm curious about this now. Is it that the bitstreams are causing the
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> > to not play, the mp3s or both? Im guessing that the board has to say it's playing
> > unless the game actually starts the steps and syncs them to the music... *shrug*
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> The steps are synced to the play cursor in the music. No playback, no steps.
Some of the games do allow you to play, without the music of course. No idea why some don't & without the decryption it's not been a high priority. It might be reading something back from the mp3 chip or something else.
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#271904 - 12/31/11 10:14 PM
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> Yes I'd like a link too... if you're referring to jclampy, that's not what I have in
> mind... is it a BYOAC project?
Would like to see this myself.
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Re: Christmas is coming soon,what do you expect Mame in 2012?
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> i really miss my old dos soundblaster setup which would allow me to boost the bass by
> 4x
Bah, you can do that just as easily with the hardware you have today.
Even the drivers for the cheapest motherboard on-board sound come with a control panel that will let you color the sound in some way. The screenshot below is from the control panel for the on-board sound on my Asus P5Q-E. On-board Realtek HD audio has a ton of options too:
http://mslinn.com/index.jsp?sites/mike/computers/bear/original/audio.html
The mixer software for my X-Fi sound card includes a 10-band graphic equalizer, bass boost and tons of other enhancements (that I never use..).
Most sound card control panels let you create and save presets too, at least for the EQ.
These features are normally not available when using the audio drivers that ship with Windows. Visit your motherboards download page and look for "real" audio drivers.
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#271919 - 01/01/12 03:04 AM
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I expect MAWS.com to come back online!
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Re: AdvanceMAME has all those audio options....Also (red)......
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#271952 - 01/01/12 09:28 PM
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> I guess you wouldn't even need a sound card then.
correct 
actually, for someone on a crazy budget, this below is a solution for someone missing a soundcard (note: ive used this device in mame and did not encounter any problems of any kind). its literally and entire soundcard packed into a little usb 'pen':
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160672495185
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Re: Christmas is coming soon,what do you expect Mame in 2012?
[Re: jasd]
#272054 - 01/03/12 12:57 AM
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Sorry I'm late on this topic but would like to see the Votrax SC-01 speech synthesizer emulated for gorf and also mario + clones using discrete audio: Walking/Running sound is incorrectly filtered. 
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Re: Christmas is coming soon,what do you expect Mame in 2012?
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#272056 - 01/03/12 01:02 AM
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> Sorry I'm late on this topic but would like to see the Votrax SC-01 speech
> synthesizer emulated for gorf.
Too bad you have to wait until 2013. Too bad the world will end before then. LOL
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Re: Christmas is coming soon,what do you expect Mame in 2012?
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#272057 - 01/03/12 01:03 AM
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lol yes 2012 December 21st its all over
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#272062 - 01/03/12 01:51 AM
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> I guess you wouldn't even need a sound card then.
Any motherboard that is half way modern will have built in sound, my Audigy card died a few weeks ago and I turned on the sound off the motherboard and it sounded pretty good. The P4 I pulled from the trash has very nice sound, which had HD and memory problem when I found it, it was easy to fix, replace the SATA cable and reseated the Ram. Fully working now...
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Re: Christmas is coming soon,what do you expect Mame in 2012?
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#272063 - 01/03/12 01:54 AM
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> lol yes 2012 December 21st its all over
Not really just a beginning of a new cycle, just like the last 4 or 5. Ignorance is bliss...
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Re: Christmas is coming soon,what do you expect Mame in 2012?
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#272064 - 01/03/12 01:57 AM
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> > lol yes 2012 December 21st its all over
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> Not really just a beginning of a new cycle, just like the last 4 or 5. Ignorance is
> bliss...
Amen brother. I for one am sick of this damn 2012 appocolipse theory. We were supposed to have... how many since 2000, which also happened to be a "World will end BAWW" year? Seriously, grow up 
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Re: Christmas is coming soon,what do you expect Mame in 2012?
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#272124 - 01/03/12 06:14 PM
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> Last I saw, controls were still not hooked up for Solar Assault?
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> I just tried it on 144 and it's definitely marked "not working" -- and it seemed to
> freeze on "24G: EEPROM parameter is illegal" so I'm pretty sure that it's not really
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Give it the standard Konami nerve pinch and it'll boot.
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Re: Christmas is coming soon,what do you expect Mame in 2012?
[Re: jasd]
#272269 - 01/06/12 01:19 AM
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I expect in 2012:
-Add sound to the Eolith games like Iron Fortress and Raccoon World.
-Emulate the 3 IGS games: Demon Front, The Gladiator and Bee Storm.
-Add sound to remaining Toaplan games, Ghox, Vimana and Fire Shark.
-Emulate Raiden 2, Raiden DX, Legionnaire and Zero Team.
Probably not gonna happen...
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#272270 - 01/06/12 01:39 AM
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> Probably not gonna happen...
Clearly you don't know about the Bieber Rule for MAME: never say never.
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#272283 - 01/06/12 03:18 AM
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> > Probably not gonna happen...
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> Clearly you don't know about the Bieber Rule for MAME: never say never.
I prefer "Prepare to be Steamrollered by Cool Things" or however the hell that went.
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As Arby mentioned a couple/few years ago.....
[Re: grog]
#272409 - 01/07/12 09:36 PM
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Onboard audio chipsets are quite good these days. I use my circa '05 Asus onboard audio for direct recording of my guitar preamp, and it sounds shit hot.
As for laptop MAME play. Unless there's a 2.1 system, and an arcade controls CP attached, I wouldn't bother. (Well, some of the bartops I've seen might suffice.)
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Re: Christmas is coming soon,what do you expect Mame in 2012?
[Re: R. Belmont]
#272410 - 01/07/12 09:38 PM
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> > Yes I'd like a link too... if you're referring to jclampy, that's not what I have
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> Would like to see this myself.
Oh. Maybe I misunderstood clampy's intetion.
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Re: Christmas is coming soon,what do you expect Mame in 2012?
[Re: Stiletto]
#272411 - 01/07/12 09:42 PM
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> I prefer "Prepare to be Steamrollered by Cool Things" or however the hell that went.
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> - Stiletto
Twisty seems to've lost his steam.
Anyways, yeah, I'd like to play Fire Shark. Looks like a cool game. No audio blows, though.
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Re: Christmas is coming soon,what do you expect Mame in 2012?
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#272469 - 01/08/12 07:31 PM
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> > > Yes I'd like a link too... if you're referring to jclampy, that's not what I have
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> > Would like to see this myself.
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> Oh. Maybe I misunderstood clampy's intetion.
Well, maybe I'm misunderstanding them as well. You used the word "authentic" in your previous post.
I'd like to see arcade owners headed to their cabinets and bringing their PC with them, tweaking HLSL settings until it matches what they see as closely as possible, even (like jclampy is doing) creating their own "shadow mask" overlays (because different monitors use different technologies), and then saying "These settings are what we think is authentic for a Wells-Gardner whatever" so you can download the ini and run mame -hlsl_ini wellsgardnerwhatever.ini, or have it preloaded down the road with certain games if those games were known to ship with certain brand monitors. Have multiple people collaborate on each one until they think it's "right" and "authentic". Go to the documentation of the monitor for reference if needed. Then these people do this for many other common arcade monitors and save those settings as well. More collaboration, less "these are my settings, your mileage may vary." Then these people maintain a database of these settings on some website somewhere. Also, doing presets with malfunctions for kicks.
This sort of thing seems like an ideal project for BYOAC members.
What jclampy seems to be doing is creating some sort of mythical "ideal CRT" and designing to that. Also, he's not even doing other types of masks/triads yet. In other words - not "authentic" how I am describing it.
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#272470 - 01/08/12 07:35 PM
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> > I prefer "Prepare to be Steamrollered by Cool Things" or however the hell that
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> > - Stiletto
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> Twisty seems to've lost his steam.
eh? it was a R. Belmont devquote, what's it have to do with Twisty?
(see http://www.mameworld.info/ main page for a randomly rotating list)
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Re: Christmas is coming soon,what do you expect Mame in 2012?
[Re: Stiletto]
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> > > I prefer "Prepare to be Steamrollered by Cool Things" or however the hell that
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> > Twisty seems to've lost his steam.
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> eh? it was a R. Belmont devquote, what's it have to do with Twisty?
> (see http://www.mameworld.info/ main page for a randomly rotating list)
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> - Stiletto
As far back as I've been around here, it was always something in Twisty's icon description thingy. But it changed a while ago.
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Re: Christmas is coming soon,what do you expect Mame in 2012?
[Re: Stiletto]
#272515 - 01/09/12 05:05 AM
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Grobda said "authentic choice of presets". I'm not even sure I know what he meant, now. As to your last....WELL....sounds good....though immediately I wonder about something: emulation of the display hardware.
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#272565 - 01/09/12 06:22 PM
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> Grobda said "authentic choice of presets". I'm not even sure I know what he meant,
> now. As to your last....WELL....sounds good....though immediately I wonder about
> something: emulation of the display hardware.
HLSL does a great deal of that already, which is one reason it requires a fairly beefy GPU. It can simulate bandwidth constraints in the monitor, the beam defocusing slightly on bright areas, and a lot of other properties of real monitors.
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#272733 - 01/11/12 10:26 PM
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> BTW, I still have a 573 board here for dissection if needed.
The 573 itself is not the source of problems with those games any more, it's the digital I/O board.
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> > BTW, I still have a 573 board here for dissection if needed.
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> The 573 itself is not the source of problems with those games any more, it's the
> digital I/O board.
Last I remember Guru saying about a 573 that there was another BIOS out there which ignored a missing chip and had a puesdo GUI system, or are we talking hardware wise?
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> Last I remember Guru saying about a 573 that there was another BIOS out there which
> ignored a missing chip and had a puesdo GUI system, or are we talking hardware wise?
We've concluded it's probably mythical/Photoshopped. Even very-late-dated 573 boardsets still have the original BIOS that we already have.
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> > Last I remember Guru saying about a 573 that there was another BIOS out there which
> > ignored a missing chip and had a puesdo GUI system, or are we talking hardware
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> We've concluded it's probably mythical/Photoshopped. Even very-late-dated 573
> boardsets still have the original BIOS that we already have.
So the board Guru had was just hacked up and that chip was taken out I assume.
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#272796 - 01/12/12 12:21 PM
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> > Grobda said "authentic choice of presets". I'm not even sure I know what he meant,
> > now. As to your last....WELL....sounds good....though immediately I wonder about
> > something: emulation of the display hardware.
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> HLSL does a great deal of that already, which is one reason it requires a fairly
> beefy GPU. It can simulate bandwidth constraints in the monitor, the beam defocusing
> slightly on bright areas, and a lot of other properties of real monitors.
Aren't those more a simulation of behavior, rather than of components?
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> So the board Guru had was just hacked up and that chip was taken out I assume.
He never had it. Someone sent him a picture or something.
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> > > Grobda said "authentic choice of presets". I'm not even sure I know what he
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> > > now. As to your last....WELL....sounds good....though immediately I wonder about
> > > something: emulation of the display hardware.
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> > HLSL does a great deal of that already, which is one reason it requires a fairly
> > beefy GPU. It can simulate bandwidth constraints in the monitor, the beam
> defocusing
> > slightly on bright areas, and a lot of other properties of real monitors.
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> Aren't those more a simulation of behavior, rather than of components?
how do you expect to convince your LCD monitor to behave like a CRT one?
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> Aren't those more a simulation of behavior, rather than of components?
No, they're a mathematical simulation of components.
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i to expect nothing as i don't want to expect anything or sound like a jerk..i just hope that someday we can see a golden tee fore series come on as i love playing my 2005 but would love to play it all on my mame so i didn't have to change games..lol 
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> Some of the games do allow you to play, without the music of course. No idea why some
> don't & without the decryption it's not been a high priority. It might be reading
> something back from the mp3 chip or something else.
It's reading the mp3 decoded frame count through i2c.
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Wait some games allow you to play without music? Which ones would they be? I know the decoding of the bitstreams isnt in MAME, again, curious.
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