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Who shat in North Korea's Cornflakes?
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URherenow stole kimjongs majjong PCB for dumping <nt> glorious leader wasn't happy. new [Re: GatKong]
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Is the UN on crack? new [Re: GatKong]
#239658 - 11/24/10 05:09 PM



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In the wake of a violent North Korean attack on the South, U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon is planning to channel new aid and development money to the increasingly dangerous regime.




When my child throws a temper tantrum, I should offer her ice cream if she'll stop? That'll work? I need to try that.

Another good reason (aside from the UN being completely militarily impotent) NOT to participate in the UN. Complete waste of funds from its contributing nations... which a disproportionate 38% of it comes from the US anyway.







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Palin has N. Korea's back new [Re: GatKong]
#239675 - 11/24/10 10:08 PM




Or she just never knows WTF she's talking about.



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Ugh. It gets worse. new [Re: GatKong]
#239826 - 11/27/10 02:20 AM


The whole thing is spurred on by the US engaging in war games off their coast... and off the coast of China. Imaging China playing war games with Russia off the coast of Florida. Would that fly?

I dunno. I think the US should sit back and give a long hard look at isolationism for a while. Nothing against South Korea... but remind me what stake the US has in the Korean peninsula again?







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Re: Ugh. It gets worse. new [Re: GatKong]
#239834 - 11/27/10 05:48 AM



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I think the US should sit back




Yes, it should, but it won't.



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Re: Ugh. It gets worse. new [Re: GatKong]
#239836 - 11/27/10 05:51 AM


It was planned well in advance. So the reaction of a 'war game' is to bomb people?

We also have quite a bit to be involved with. Several treaties that bind us into helping.

This stopped the Korean war. Which states how many troops we are allowed to have in Korea. This one is out the window if fighting starts again.
http://news.findlaw.com/wp/docs/korea/kwarmagr072753.html

Also this treaty with South Korea. Which basically states as a treaty 'if someone attacks you we will back you up'.
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/kor001.asp

The reason the attacks have occurred in the particular area they did is because North Korea claims that they own it. Which if true means they are shooting at their own people?

Also N.Korea is hurting in a big way economically. They have basically 0 production of anything. One of their largest exports is heroin. The tons of food sent over are not given to the starving masses. It is diverted to the ruling class. They are getting desperate. So they are using this as leverage to get more aid sent in. They have been playing this trick since the early 90s.

Watch this video on the suffering of the people in N.Korea. Notice the bit in there where they talk about people in a huge manufacturing city saying there is no work because the machines have been stripped and sold for food.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1875007335054132657#

This is not going to end well for any of the 4 major players here (US, China, North Korea, and South Korea). The only 'peaceful' ways out is if the US and South Korea decide to send in more aid. Which is what N.Korea is after.



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Re: Ugh. It gets worse. new [Re: lharms]
#239841 - 11/27/10 09:59 AM


> The only 'peaceful' ways out is if the US and South Korea
> decide to send in more aid. Which is what N.Korea is after.

Not a "way out" at all. Two years and they'll be at it again.

How many bombs would it take to just erase them? How long before we have a president who'll do that?



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Re: URherenow stole kimjongs majjong PCB for dumping <nt> glorious leader wasn't happy. new [Re: italie]
#239847 - 11/27/10 01:47 PM


Obligatory

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Re: Palin has N. Korea's back new [Re: Hizzout]
#239848 - 11/27/10 01:51 PM


> Or she just never knows WTF she's talking about.

Republican who keeps making stupid gaffs and sounds like she has no idea what she's talking about?
Sounds like president material to me! ph33r!






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Re: Ugh. It gets worse. new [Re: TriggerFin]
#239872 - 11/28/10 02:15 AM


Oh I agree it is only a temporary solution. One that only puts it off for 2-3 years at most. They are running on E and are starting to panic.

Then even if it is over tomorrow. The mess that these people are in will last for 20 or more years. As they have no manufacturing base and have literally nothing that people want. Or any sort of government in place. The people are used to a Lenin style gov where everything is provided, and obedience is enforced at the end of a gun. It will be quite an adjustment. Never mind the thousands of people who are starving.

Also the fight will not be a 'simple' bomb them and wipe them out. We got into that quagmire in the 50s with them. Which is the reason we are in there in the first place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War

I think in this case NKorea has pushed it too far. By 1) ignoring the treaty from the 1990s with the US and by 2) bombing a civilian town. It will not end well for any involved.

One solution is for the NKorean gov to 'give up' and admit they are chin deep in a problem they can not fix. But that will never happen due to the pride involved by those in charge there.

There is no 'nice' solution. Only ones that delay the inevitable.



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What the hell.... She has her own reality show. new [Re: Fever]
#239880 - 11/28/10 04:29 AM





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must see TV [nt] new [Re: TheBigAmbulance]
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Re: Ugh. It gets worse. new [Re: GatKong]
#239888 - 11/28/10 07:03 AM


> The whole thing is spurred on by the US engaging in war games off their coast... and
> off the coast of China. Imaging China playing war games with Russia off the coast of
> Florida. Would that fly?
>
> I dunno. I think the US should sit back and give a long hard look at isolationism for
> a while. Nothing against South Korea... but remind me what stake the US has in the
> Korean peninsula again?




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You don't get it new [Re: Hizzout]
#239893 - 11/28/10 09:34 AM


But I'll consider that you posted this before lharms made his well informed post.

In layman's terms, we do what we do in, near, and FOR S. Korea for 2 reasons.

1) THEY WANT US TO

2) We promised we would

'nuff said

Actually, not enough, but I can't say what I want to until we leave the area.



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Re: URherenow stole kimjongs majjong PCB for dumping <nt> glorious leader wasn't happy. new [Re: italie]
#239894 - 11/28/10 09:39 AM




uhh... you saw that? Thought I was in stealth mode



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Re: URherenow stole kimjongs majjong PCB for dumping <nt> glorious leader wasn't happy. new [Re: URherenow]
#239900 - 11/28/10 03:03 PM


> uhh... you saw that? Thought I was in stealth mode

That new spy satellite we just shot up works like a dream.


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